[split] a discussion on origins sparked by "The Order of Things"

[Torkelburger]

ps. When you say "There is no faith in science", I reply that I guess it depends upon how one defines faith, because I definitely have faith in science.

That’s changing the subject.  You’re equivocating.  It’s like Ray Comfort defending the word “faith” when one is criticizing having faith in god he’ll come back with “I have faith in a lot of things, faith in my wife, faith in my children…”  That’s equivocation and is a different debate.

I was referring to you saying the following: “It's very hard to prove what was happening in the absence of space/time as we now understand it, and almost becomes a matter of "scientific faith".”

That is alluding to incredulity.  As in when scientists do not know something, you are saying that they resort to faith (belief without evidence) or stating something as fact or we know something when we don’t simply as a matter of faith.  That’s the “god of the gaps” fallacy.  The argument from incredulity.  That’s what creationists do.  Not scientists.  As I initially replied, when scientists do not know something, they look for answers and just admit we do not know.

I don’t even have “faith” that we will someday know answers to these questions.  We may never know.

It's closer to say that there's no religion in science, yet some people claim science as their religion.

I’ve never heard anyone do that.  I’ve heard Christians and Creationists accuse skeptics, non-believers, atheists, metaphysical naturalists as belonging to a “religion” called “Scientism”, but that is a made-up label by Christians.  It is not a religion people call themselves or is officially recognized or anything.  It's a bargain-basement insult.