Nostomania
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(12-24-2017, 06:43 AM)shemthepenman Wrote:  abstract thought (awareness of self, life, death, etc.) creates self, life, and death.

i´m glad this is in misc.
maybe animals have an idea about death too (even if it´s more a concept of fear than this useless pondering of what if anything should come afterwards)
and that would be why they avoid pain (like us). elephants are said to mourn their dead.

and wittgenstein tells us
1. the world is everything that is the case
2. what is the case is the existence of states of affairs
3. a logical picture of facts is thought
4. a thought is a proposition with a sense
5. a proposition is a truth function of elementary propositions
6. the general form of a proposition is the general form of a truth function: [p ¯,?,N(?)].
7. whereof one can not speak, thereof one must be silent.

 i don´t think this summary will make me read wittgenstein. 
1. and 2. seem like wordplay to me
in 3. he seemed to lack a definition of "logical".. how logical can things become once they´re abstract? everything depends on definitions that are hard to make about things you can´t grasp.
4. sense? that´s when i started to think he was arrogant. 5. and 6. contribute to that.
7. basically that sounds pretty circular (though i still suspect he meant it in that way that excludes people like me who can´t follow his reasoning about truth functions but that´s probably subjective).


a “surbater” is someone who tires you with walking. .

you mean someone who can make their state creep inside someone else? (in case of those mud-figures, the unrest that made some walk away)  
isn´t that what poets do sometimes?
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Messages In This Thread
Nostomania - by shemthepenman - 12-23-2017, 08:19 AM
RE: Nostomania - by vagabond - 12-24-2017, 05:24 AM
RE: Nostomania - by shemthepenman - 12-24-2017, 06:43 AM
RE: Nostomania - by vagabond - 12-24-2017, 06:41 PM
RE: Nostomania - by shemthepenman - 12-25-2017, 05:36 AM



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