10-17-2017, 06:40 AM
I'll offer some thoughts at this point. I appreciate how you've simplified it from the last version -- it's not as sprawling. I certainly agree with you that you were trying to cram way too many concepts into one piece.
As I understand, this genre of poetry doesn't have many hard and fast rules. You can talk about what you see in the picture or it can be generally inspired by the piece on whatever level you choose.
I think the two pitfalls you need to avoid are (1) being overly descriptive of the painting (it comes across as just prose and rather redundant since the reader can see for themselves) and (2) sounding too much like a philosophy textbook. This version seems to be better on both fronts, so
A couple of line by line notes:
I like that you're trying out different styles. It's always a good thing to push yourself in new directions as a writer.
Best to you,
Lizzie
As I understand, this genre of poetry doesn't have many hard and fast rules. You can talk about what you see in the picture or it can be generally inspired by the piece on whatever level you choose.
I think the two pitfalls you need to avoid are (1) being overly descriptive of the painting (it comes across as just prose and rather redundant since the reader can see for themselves) and (2) sounding too much like a philosophy textbook. This version seems to be better on both fronts, so
A couple of line by line notes:
(10-03-2017, 01:02 PM)alexorande Wrote: Death of SocratesOverall, I think it's going in the right direction. You might also try writing it in meter or with a rhyme scheme to reinforce that it's poetry not prose.
After Jacques-Louis David's "The Death of Socrates", 1787, oil on canvas
Indifferent fingers hover towards -- hovering is lingering near an object, unmoving or moving very little. "Toward" makes no sense to me here.
death- swilling in a copper cup,
offered by the crimson executioner.
This room contains a burn pile
of autumn leaves started by a match
stricken on opinion that set aflame
the students' doubts;
meditation didn't burn.
Old man, you sit where you shouldn't -- I like the voice here and in the next stanza, where the subjects of the painting are directly addressed. Having a conversation with the people in the picture is more engaging than musing to yourself about the painting. I'd use this voice throughout, if I were you.
and old, you shouldn't be. Unless -- There are a few things I don't like about this sentence structure. Primarily I object to the inversion of "you shouldn't be" instead of saying 'you shouldn't be old' which reads more naturally. Also, I don't like the repetition of old and shouldn't. Ending on the verb is also awkward. I don't think you can justify starting a sentence with "unless" since that means that this beginning sentence has no verb.
an echo of stories in your absence
reified in detail all around you,
down to the arrows on the sleeve
of a swooning cohort- contradicting -- there's no need for a hyphen...a comma will suffice after cohort, unless you're joining cohort and contradicting into one word. A hyphen is a different grammatical tool than the em dash. An em dash has the effect of setting off a phrase like parentheses.
what you taught of Form and how -- weak line break. The beginning and ending words of a line receive special emphasis, and there's no reason to highlight "how" here. I'd merge the fragment below with this line.
things appear.
In contrast to your teacher,
the apotheosis of your beliefs
is a bitter one. -- I like the comparison of bitterness with the presumed taste of the poison.
I like that you're trying out different styles. It's always a good thing to push yourself in new directions as a writer.
Best to you,
Lizzie

