arizona allows concealed weapons

[Benny2guns]

Well like I said I do not recall reading where it says they can not and without reading it again...of which at presant I have no intention of doing....then my answer remains the same.
Yes people that have been convicted of crimes loose there rights, not all of them but alot of them. So what is your point? I have no arguement with that and I really don't think there is one.

my point is this.

if it's conditional for one person why can't it be conditional for everyone.

show you can use a firearm safely and you can have one. (it's a condition of right.)

be 18 and you can have a licence if you pass your test. believe it or not driving once you pass your test is a right. you can't be stopped from driving unless you break the law, which makes it a right.

Believe it or not it is not a right in north america.It is a privlage. You can loose your license for owing money here. We are not born in a country with a constitution that states we have the right to drive a motor car.

is canada covered by the 2nd amendment?

so you're saying a right has to be declared? mmmm

so if it wasn't written on a piece of paper carrying a firearm wouldn't be a right....that sorta sounds like it's only a right because someone said it was.
not my idea of what a true right is. for me a right is something that's intrinsic. like freedom. something we don't need written down on a piece of paper. the bill of rights, i say phooey, people should already know that all men are equal. (they even say under one god which actually takes away the freedom of belonging to another religion or none)

if they can take away a right by your definition it isn't a right. they can take your guns if you misuse them. they're are always conditions to any rights.
and that fact is indisputable.

so if you pass your driving test they can stop you from driving for nothing?

Yes like if you owe money. If you can't pay insurance. If you can't pay your anual fees. Lot of reasons they can take away your driving privlages here. It is a privilage.
As far as rights being put on paper, thats the way it is, if you can't prove it by way of paper documentation then it does not exsist. I did not make the rules here. Thats what I was born into just like you.
And I still stand behind their right to bare and carry firearms. It is their right and that is still a fact. If there are permits involved and they have to be paied every year then I suspect they loose their right to carry them untill such time as the fees are paied, I don't know but it sounds like an apropriate money grab to me. They still retain the right to have one bill.
Unlike a drivers license where they take it physically from you.