little brown women

[shemthepenman]

who said it's noble?

the poem isn't about your daughter. that you see it that way is how you see it, not necessarily how it is. and is that all he's saying? this [fellow] has written a poem, not about your daughter but about a specific group of people. i stumble to understand how his doing so has affected you so. how come when much worse than this is written people aren't jumping up and saying...you cunt, that poem is about a woman, it could be my daughter...

god forgive me for ever having offended you unknowingly because i've lost count of the number of sexist poems i've written. i've seen and admired a lot of your artwork but you know what, i see more than one or two extremely sexist in their portrayal of woman. does that make them bad paintings, resoundingly no. do your sexist painting reflect anything of my girls, who fucking cares. lets stop art, lets kill poets, lets not mention little black women less it it pertains to my girls, and lets kill all artists who paint breasts and cunts and the female form in general but there's the rub isn't it. it's okay for one but not for another. if something like the poem in question offends you don't come to my house for dinner we abuse everyone through speech all the time.  should woman count themselves blessed? what has that got to do with it. the question is; is the poem racist/sexist and if so is it in the readers eye or is the reader projecting what they perceive to be the mind of the poet. and at the end of the day if it is a sexist does it really matter. is the sexism any greater or smaller than many poems carry. i've seen much worse on facebook posts where people denounce the fairer sex for being twats, oops i said fairer sex...i'm a sexist. so no, i never said it was noble you just assumed i did. and i still like your paintings of women's naked bodies.

@Billy

i don't quite get your point. if the poem is sexist, which i think it is [or, at least condescending to women], it pertains to all of our daughters and granddaughters. this fellow is saying he loves 'little brown women' the way 'they' cover their mouth when they laugh. do 'they'? my children most certainly don't, especially not in the morning, and their mother most certainly never did - and fuck overt self-expression being a sin. and fuck sheep herders and their stone age backward thinking about women. and fuck any women that have been conditioned into accepting this infantilising shit as 'sweet' or 'endearing' or 'complimentary'.
are 'they' objects of swaying hips to be perved on by men? don't get me wrong, we all do it, but don't start giving me 'it's a noble thing' crap about aesthetics, or reclaiming femininity shite - women are not goddesses or earth mothers or nature incarnate; they're wankers, just like the rest of us scumbags.
should women count themselves blessed that they inspire such vacuous praise for a stroke of natural selective luck? and the ones that don't sway their hips or laugh like it were a sin or are pleasing in the most superficial ways to the opposite sex, can go fuck themselves.

whoa there, billy, son. firstly, i was only using my children as an example of two young women that wouldn't hear the phrase 'little brown women', no matter who it is aimed at, positively. i don't care if the N is talking about my children, your children, women in general, or the particular women he is looking at at the time, it is patronising to all of them, in an insidious way. and what we say doesn't necessarily depend on the correctness of the words we use. i could call someone a 'big fat woman'; this may be entirely accurate, but i doubt anyone it is aimed at would be happy with it. "but it is technically true" i would say, and the reply "yeah well, fuck off". the fact is 'little brown women' is a term one would use for children, and to use it non-ironically for actual full grown women is insulting. and yep, so what if we insult people? this is true. but don't get all pissy when someone says 'that's insulting', is all. . .

and anyway, yeah, i can be incredibly sexist. my paintings could not only be interpreted as sexist, but horrifically so. meat and bone and horrible half broken faces naked bodies as objects. but they are what they are, and i wouldn't moan about someone saying so; and my comment about dressing this up as noble was aimed at the poem itself [and dale's explanation of it]. it seems odd to me that using cutesy language objectifying women is in some way regarded as a positive thing, a positive generalisation. the poem has this old fashioned sense of machismo, whereby these women should find it flattering that they are referred to as 'little women' coquettish and curvy. not to mention that we all should 'be so'. and i won't say 'oh, well done you for writing a sexist poem; you really are a character'. no more than i would say 'oh that tattoo of a swastika on your forehead is really well done; beautiful shading'. and i wouldn't expect anyone who found my paintings deeply sexist to like them. i would probably argue with them, try to justify myself, of course.

and about the issue of 'let's not have any art that is offensive', this is precisely the problem with freedom of speech or those that apparently defend it, because i never said i didn't want to see it, or read it, or hear it. suddenly exercising my freedom of speech has somehow translated into 'ban it'. i will come round your house and look at any old offensive shit you have hanging on the wall and argue the toss about how terrible it is. it seems like you would have the argument stopped in its tracks by banning me from saying anything contradictory: "don't come round hear with your opinions". a kind of strange argument pro-offensive art/anti-freedom of speech [or, pro-offensive freedom of speech except when it is directed at me]. it is like these folks on the internet that are always banging on about how we all have the right to call so-and-so a 'cunt' in the comments section of youtube because it is our right of freedom of speech; yet, don't actually use their freedom of speech to argue against calling so-and-so a cunt because it's a stupid and shitty thing to do.
but, i'll tell dale exactly what i think, and dale is a super fantastic fellow that necessarily understands that my criticism of his poem is a point of view that has value in being heard just as much as his poem has.

note: i recently asked my children to read the poem and tell me what they think. Avril [20] said:

AVRIL:
"Yeah I like it.
Don't get the third bit"

SAM:
"you don't think it is sexist?"

AVRIL:
"No.
How would it be?"