A moral dilemma
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(01-06-2010, 09:22 AM)billy Wrote:  watched a ted talk the other night....
it was by a guy called Michael sandel. in it he asked what would you do in a given situation;
you were on a trolley train (a small maintenance vehicles used to check the track) that was going to plow into five people on the track and kill them, up ahead was a fork that sent you away from the five but in doing killed a single person on the other track. what would you do. we all said kill the one. the answer was easy
another question was. if you were overlooking the scene and knew by pushing the fat gut next to you, into the path of the trolley train you'd save the five people, though the fat guy would def die. would you push off the bridge? the answer to this one wasn't as straight forward. people hummed and were less outspoken as to what they'd do.

so it got me thinking;

if a person pulls a knife on a stranger for no reason other than to rob him, he sticks the guy with it, the guy faints, but doesn't die after being stabbed and is robbed by the knife-man. later the knife-man is caught and convicted of attempted murder and sentenced to 15 year in prison. a week later another knife-man does the same thing except this time the knifes goes into an apple in the victims pocket. the victim faints as did the first one but more from fear than being stabbed (the knife never touched him). again the knife-man robs his victim and is later caught. the moral question is this. should the second knife-man get the same sentence as the first knife-man?

if yes, why
if no, why not? weren't they both the same crime?

Yes.
Simply put, its the thought that counts. Or lack of thought on the 2nd robbers part. He tried to do bodily harm with total disregard to the well being of the apple carrying man. The fact is he tried to murder the man who got lucky with a Granny Smith apple in his pocket... That counts as "attempted murder"
(01-07-2010, 11:26 AM)addy Wrote:  
Quote:A man murders another man in cold blood and gets cought then convicted and sentanced to death. He is now a murder.
Another man murders 100 men in cold blood and is never cought. The murders are never discovered to be murders. The man lives out his life like any other and dies of old age. Is he a murder?

Yes. Definitely. Just because nobody knows it doesn't mean he isn't a murderer.
Exactly. A man does not have to be convicted to be a murderer. He would be a murderer that slipped through the cracks
(01-06-2010, 03:09 PM)addy Wrote:  For Billy's question:

The second knifeman should get the same sentence as the first: attempted murder. The second's man victim wasn't hurt, but it wasn't from the knifeman's lack of trying. In a case like that, I feel intent is the bigger factor for consideration.

I guess to me a more problematic question is, suppose there were two shooting cases, one where the gunman succeeds in murdering his victim and another where the intended victim gets to a hospital and survives, why should the two gunmen's sentences be different? Why should the second murderer be "rewarded" just because he didn't succeed?

To Velvetfog:

To me, the gangster is guilty of manslaughter, strange as it may be. Stray bullet hit the other person, doesn't matter if the other person was suicidal. It's a bit like if you shoot a man who's dying of cancer and who's only got one day to live: doesn't absolve you of the act.

That's just my interpretation.
Hmmm

OK now you got me here after answering the last one..
The crook who shot killed the man, off with his head. (France had some style...)
The 2nd crook would be guilty of manslaughter (no possibility of parole) since a hi velocity projectile tends to maul and slaughter a human body as it passes thru. Or at the least attempted murder (parole possible in a decade, maybe)
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Messages In This Thread
A moral dilemma - by billy - 01-06-2010, 09:22 AM
RE: A moral dilemma - by billy - 01-06-2010, 01:32 PM
RE: A moral dilemma - by addy - 01-06-2010, 03:09 PM
RE: A moral dilemma - by Benny2guns - 01-06-2010, 08:40 PM
RE: A moral dilemma - by addy - 01-07-2010, 11:26 AM
RE: A moral dilemma - by Benny2guns - 01-09-2010, 02:08 AM
RE: A moral dilemma - by billy - 01-09-2010, 03:44 PM
RE: A moral dilemma - by . . . . - 01-09-2010, 01:17 AM
RE: A moral dilemma - by addy - 01-11-2010, 05:55 PM
RE: A moral dilemma - by Benny2guns - 01-12-2010, 07:54 PM
RE: A moral dilemma - by . . . . - 01-15-2010, 11:55 AM
RE: A moral dilemma - by Benny2guns - 01-15-2010, 01:00 PM
RE: A moral dilemma - by billy - 01-12-2010, 08:40 AM
RE: A moral dilemma - by billy - 01-13-2010, 06:42 AM



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