01-14-2016, 01:29 AM
Oh, we use the "limp wristed " thing here also, but it was a feature in some clips I saw of Ginsberg and as I know many people think in terms of behavioral mannerisms or affectations to identify someone as something, but while it is sometimes true, it can also be false. So, although I am aware Ginsberg was gay, he had no more "gay" mannerisms than say Dylan, since you mentioned him.
My original awareness of the term "jelly-roll" was used in a song by Michael Murrphy in lyrics something to the effect
"You got to have a good jelly-roll,
if your gonna be on your on
when the times are hard."
Which led me to believe it meant money. If he were not such a straight forward writer, I could see where "hard" could mean erection and then your definition would fit. Regardless, I was only using it to mean something of value and in the sense of the line it was multiple as my poems tend to be layered. So it was personal past, beat past, civil rights past, et al. Of course the point is it is imaginary as he is simply a poser, a hanger on (not even a chronicler), but still important as the last vestige of Beat. Of course that is a metaphor in itself, if you understand what I mean.
There were some things I didn't want to go into depth with in terms of a response, as it tends to set the thing in stone and can be no other way, which is why I avoided the "black" question. I will say only this, and not to disparage as we all have human failures. Yes, the Beats were very interested in this "problem". However as you astutely pointed out, he was writing in a "ledger." There are many kinds of ledgers and the Beats were not above using certain issues to their benefit. As I said, this is not about condemnation, simply observation and when I say the "Beats" I am not referring to specific people but the movement that birth the cultural revolution. I'll allow a few lines from a poem explain what I mean (one of mine of course).
"It mattered not the cause, equality - civil rights.
we cared nothing for the principal, we were fighting just to fight.
It was the time of our rebellion, demarcation close at hand,
we played by ear, those years ago, we never had a plan."
No I guess I coined the word. I wanted it lengthened with the extra "L". So a little usage of onomatopoeia. It simply means his voice was raspy, but it would not be an uncommon usage to hear "raspily" in the south. I just sort of extended it some.
I'm not sure "pauser is a legitimate word either, it comes up under "pause" in the dictionary, but there is no specific mention of it.
I didn't mean "too", but I guess I need to mean "too".
Thanks for the link.
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My original awareness of the term "jelly-roll" was used in a song by Michael Murrphy in lyrics something to the effect
"You got to have a good jelly-roll,
if your gonna be on your on
when the times are hard."
Which led me to believe it meant money. If he were not such a straight forward writer, I could see where "hard" could mean erection and then your definition would fit. Regardless, I was only using it to mean something of value and in the sense of the line it was multiple as my poems tend to be layered. So it was personal past, beat past, civil rights past, et al. Of course the point is it is imaginary as he is simply a poser, a hanger on (not even a chronicler), but still important as the last vestige of Beat. Of course that is a metaphor in itself, if you understand what I mean.
There were some things I didn't want to go into depth with in terms of a response, as it tends to set the thing in stone and can be no other way, which is why I avoided the "black" question. I will say only this, and not to disparage as we all have human failures. Yes, the Beats were very interested in this "problem". However as you astutely pointed out, he was writing in a "ledger." There are many kinds of ledgers and the Beats were not above using certain issues to their benefit. As I said, this is not about condemnation, simply observation and when I say the "Beats" I am not referring to specific people but the movement that birth the cultural revolution. I'll allow a few lines from a poem explain what I mean (one of mine of course).
"It mattered not the cause, equality - civil rights.
we cared nothing for the principal, we were fighting just to fight.
It was the time of our rebellion, demarcation close at hand,
we played by ear, those years ago, we never had a plan."
Quote:Mark wrote:
"The old man rumbles out raspilly - Is 'raspilly' correct? some dictionaries say 'raspily' is a word although others don't
over fibrous strands of nicotine-filigreed mucus, - love this line and the contrasts between filigreed and mucus
to a young pauser passing to slowly by. - did you mean 'too'?"
No I guess I coined the word. I wanted it lengthened with the extra "L". So a little usage of onomatopoeia. It simply means his voice was raspy, but it would not be an uncommon usage to hear "raspily" in the south. I just sort of extended it some.
I'm not sure "pauser is a legitimate word either, it comes up under "pause" in the dictionary, but there is no specific mention of it.I didn't mean "too", but I guess I need to mean "too".
Thanks for the link.
I'd give you a feedback award, but you already have one...maybe you can have more
dale
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?
The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.