01-15-2015, 07:57 AM
I am sure passing on a book because the almighty me suggested it is a super philosophy. However, I was bored of my own pontificating and had I summed it up it would have only lead to more debate probably equalling the word count for the book itself. In which case, either you are interested enough by my recommendation or are not. It is of little consequence. It reminds me of that Spencer quote "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance — that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
and, to be sure, this is an aphoristic expression. It has value. But it gives everything. I do not need to read a book to explain the subtleties of this statement; unlike 'cogito ergo sum' which on its own (without the pages and pages of argument leading up to this conclusion) is just silly, out of context. It means nothing.
There was this girl at this party my friend and I went to when we were 17 and she said after a discussion about philosophy 'I think therefore I am'. Well done her, but what? This is not the expression of a basic concept. It is just an expression (Cogito ergo sum is just a building block for many layers of conclusions... one of which is the existence of god, not to mention the mind body dualism). The basic concept is written over many pages of The Meditations by Descartes. What does expression of concept have to do with value of concept? What is the relation between those two things. Had Descartes been an absolute fuck-tard with language he could have written something so complex and obscure that no aphorism would have been produced... would the basic concept have been of little value?
“A concept is a brick. It can be used to build a courthouse of reason. Or it can be thrown through the window.”
- Deleuze
it is true, of course.
and, to be sure, this is an aphoristic expression. It has value. But it gives everything. I do not need to read a book to explain the subtleties of this statement; unlike 'cogito ergo sum' which on its own (without the pages and pages of argument leading up to this conclusion) is just silly, out of context. It means nothing.
There was this girl at this party my friend and I went to when we were 17 and she said after a discussion about philosophy 'I think therefore I am'. Well done her, but what? This is not the expression of a basic concept. It is just an expression (Cogito ergo sum is just a building block for many layers of conclusions... one of which is the existence of god, not to mention the mind body dualism). The basic concept is written over many pages of The Meditations by Descartes. What does expression of concept have to do with value of concept? What is the relation between those two things. Had Descartes been an absolute fuck-tard with language he could have written something so complex and obscure that no aphorism would have been produced... would the basic concept have been of little value?
“A concept is a brick. It can be used to build a courthouse of reason. Or it can be thrown through the window.”
- Deleuze
(01-14-2015, 07:47 AM)ellajam Wrote: Boys, boys, often with the attempted chastity comes an anit-abortion stance, leading to many babies with parents not grown up yet themselves. Please don't assume religious beliefs make your angels angels, someone's got to be the grown-up.
Next move for this thread? Straight discussion? Arse or sewer? Beats me, I have no desire to get it back on topic.
it is true, of course.