12-28-2014, 07:24 AM
Hello,
yep, I wrote my comment drunk as a lord. Ignore it.
but still, 'til may be a personal preference (and I would like to hear your reasons for preferring ''til' over 'till' [economy of letters, maybe?]), I am just a little skeptical, is all. And I am sure I will get an essay on why 'til is just as valid as till, but I won't believe it. 'Til may not be wrong as in opposed to correct, but it is wrong as opposed to good
it is also ironic you should talk about personal preference along with statements like 'it is not just my opinion'. I love you anyway, :*
yep, I wrote my comment drunk as a lord. Ignore it.
but still, 'til may be a personal preference (and I would like to hear your reasons for preferring ''til' over 'till' [economy of letters, maybe?]), I am just a little skeptical, is all. And I am sure I will get an essay on why 'til is just as valid as till, but I won't believe it. 'Til may not be wrong as in opposed to correct, but it is wrong as opposed to good
it is also ironic you should talk about personal preference along with statements like 'it is not just my opinion'. I love you anyway, :*(12-26-2014, 09:09 AM)shemthepenman Wrote: anyhow, relating to the poem that inspired this discussion (a poem I really liked, by the way), I entirely disagree with the proposition that 'poetry is about making the obscure clear'. Fuck the reader that wants their own warm diarrhea spoon fed to them. Poetry is not a mathematical description or the pedant's ego boost. It is not simple and clear. If what you experience is a man sitting, smoking, then you are not a poet, you are anyone, a journalist, a landscape painter for chocolate boxes. It has nothing to do with obscurity or clarity, this is a nothing dualism; poetry is about sense, which is vague and fuzzy, but at the same time brutal and direct. I don't care to read that 'there was this beggar that used a poor baby as a prop' in more than 12 words! or maybe I do, but a newspaper article would do more. No, what I want, and anyone else looking to poetry to differentiate itself from other writing, is something more.
(12-26-2014, 08:34 AM)Erthona Wrote:Quote:shemthepenman wrote: "you mean till, of course
No actually I meant the abbreviated form of "until" - 'til. 'til - "aphetic variant of until". I wanted the single syllable as it creates a caesura. Although definition wise there is little difference between until, till, and 'til. For me, I pronounce "'til" much sharper and quicker than either "till" or "until". So for me, it creates a rhythmic quality I like in terms of expressing the last three words of the line.
But thanks for watching out for me
dale