[split] The Nothing
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One example Brownlie. I figured most people would have heard of Coleridge, rather than someone like David V. Erdman. I guess you would consider Aristotle not worth the time as he was even further in the past. I'm sure his idea that all tragedy must have some comedy and all comedy must have some tragedy is not something that would benefit anyone. Nor would Coleridge's critiques on Shakespeare since they were only on the plays, which are not poems despite the fact they are generally written in blank verse (not to mention they are a primer in archetypes). No I don't know what anyone could get from the guy who wrote three of the greatest poems in the English language since the form he used then is so out of date today. I find it amazing that people toss away as garbage things they know virtually nothing about, taking only the most short sighted approach to a wealth of treasure. Believe it or not, at one time poets ached for knowledge whether it was germane or not, as they knew one can not prejudge what might and might not be valuable.   Poetry is not about the form one uses, although any poet worth the name should have control over and knowledge of the major forms. If one has no knowledge of formal poetry, i.e. metered rhyming poetry, one really has no idea what he is about when writing free verse, or as it was originally called, free iambic verse. Elliot pointed out that no verse is completely free, that is without constraint. In much of today's poetry people do not learn the older forms and so produce tone deaf poetry, copying only the superficial elements because they are unaware of the other aspects of free verse, as they have never taken the trouble to train their ear. They obviously have no conception of rhythm, cadence, beat or meter, and so like a deaf conductor they wave their stick in random fashion because they can not hear the music. It is impossible to explain this to them, as they have no conception of what it is they are missing(not to mention they consider it completely unimportant), of course this goes far beyond just the rhythmic quality of poetry.

Dale    
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?

The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
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[split] The Nothing - by ajcohen613 - 12-24-2014, 05:52 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 12-26-2014, 06:20 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 12-26-2014, 06:45 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 12-26-2014, 08:34 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 12-26-2014, 09:09 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 12-28-2014, 07:24 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 12-26-2014, 01:06 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Brownlie - 12-26-2014, 01:44 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 12-27-2014, 11:17 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 12-29-2014, 04:43 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 12-29-2014, 05:02 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-01-2015, 06:10 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 12-30-2014, 08:43 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by milo - 12-30-2014, 08:50 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 12-30-2014, 02:14 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 01-01-2015, 07:06 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-01-2015, 07:46 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by milo - 01-02-2015, 04:58 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by ChristopherSea - 01-06-2015, 12:22 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 01-06-2015, 04:44 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by ChristopherSea - 01-06-2015, 05:39 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by milo - 01-06-2015, 07:04 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 01-01-2015, 09:50 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 01-01-2015, 05:51 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 01-02-2015, 04:53 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 01-02-2015, 07:05 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 01-02-2015, 10:23 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 01-02-2015, 11:31 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 01-02-2015, 11:46 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 01-02-2015, 11:56 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 01-03-2015, 01:06 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 01-03-2015, 05:21 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-06-2015, 07:06 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 01-06-2015, 12:49 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-07-2015, 07:10 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by milo - 01-07-2015, 07:39 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-07-2015, 07:43 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-07-2015, 07:49 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by milo - 01-07-2015, 08:59 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by ellajam - 01-07-2015, 07:42 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Leanne - 01-07-2015, 07:46 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by milo - 01-07-2015, 07:49 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by cjchaffin - 01-07-2015, 09:08 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-07-2015, 09:21 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by ellajam - 01-07-2015, 11:10 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by bena - 01-07-2015, 11:44 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-08-2015, 07:44 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 01-08-2015, 01:11 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-09-2015, 06:16 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by ellajam - 01-07-2015, 11:53 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by bena - 01-09-2015, 07:04 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by ChristopherSea - 01-09-2015, 07:21 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-09-2015, 07:56 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 01-10-2015, 09:53 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-11-2015, 05:31 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 01-12-2015, 06:16 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-12-2015, 07:19 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by bena - 01-09-2015, 10:23 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 01-12-2015, 08:14 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-12-2015, 09:23 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 01-12-2015, 01:38 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Brownlie - 01-12-2015, 06:14 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 01-12-2015, 08:00 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-14-2015, 03:48 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Erthona - 01-14-2015, 07:37 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by ellajam - 01-14-2015, 07:47 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 01-15-2015, 04:39 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by bena - 01-14-2015, 09:37 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by rayheinrich - 01-14-2015, 04:36 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by shemthepenman - 01-15-2015, 07:57 AM
RE: The Nothing - by Erthona - 12-25-2014, 08:51 AM
RE: The Nothing - by Brownlie - 12-25-2014, 05:32 PM
RE: The Nothing - by Erthona - 12-25-2014, 11:47 PM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by milo - 12-26-2014, 02:42 AM
RE: [split] The Nothing - by Brownlie - 12-26-2014, 04:00 AM



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