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TE,

I think I agree with you on most of your points. Yes, it was a very rough draft, but that is why I put it hear to see how people would respond to it. It's been my experience that if I put a fully worked piece in here, I get little response. SO I though I would try the reverse, As far as the "rock" being crucified, that is an allusion to Peter [Petros], whom Jesus called the rock upon which he would build his church. Peter requested to be crucified upside down because he was not worthy to die as his lord had.*

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Crucified upside down

Origen wrote: "Peter was crucified at Rome with his head downwards, as he himself had desired to suffer."
"Sermon by Leo the Great (440–461)". Ccel.org. 2005-07-13. Retrieved 2010-09-12.
[Origen Adamantius (Ὠριγένης Ἀδαμάντιος, Ōrigénēs Adamántios; 184/185 – 253/254),[1] was a scholar and early Christian theologian who was born and spent the first half of his career in Alexandria. He was a prolific writer in multiple branches of theology, including textual criticism, biblical exegesis and hermeneutics, philosophical theology, preaching, and spirituality.]
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Matthew 16:18
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Matthew 16:18 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
18 I also say to you that you are [a]Peter, and upon this [b]rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

Jesus told peter of his death, and describe his )Peter's) arms being stretched out against his will. I suspect also in Matthew, but I am too tired to look it up.

Matthew 16:18 Gr Petros, a stone
Matthew 16:18 Gr petra, large rock; bed-rock

Dale

ah, I see - I was thinking of some old spirituals ("the wise man builds his house upon a rock" and "rock of ages").

Cheers