03-25-2014, 06:10 PM
so let me get this straight 575 isn't written in stone, but you advise 12 or less.
though counting syllables is crap. now i understand, count 12 or less and you're good to go, count 15 or 15 and you haven't a clue.
to L Oquence
imho, use the number you feel is correct, 10 15 even 20, just go for the slice of an image
if you're starting out, do some of the 575 format to help you lay the thing down then work out the right number for the poem you're doing. despite what people will tell you no one here is an expert on the form and the fish pond poem quoted above has been translated a multitude of times with varying syllable counts, some of which have 15.
here's another one he did;
this is arguably one of the greatest poets of this form, if he can use 18, so can you. the sad thing is, people will tell you to do what they think should be done. that someone tells you not to do 575 is very misleading indeed. on the point of syllable count don't listen us, in truth none of us know the correct way, unless you're japanese there is no correct way. the 575 is the most common of guides. once you get a feel of the thing don't have the syll count in mind, think more about the image and the change in direction. google is your friend
though counting syllables is crap. now i understand, count 12 or less and you're good to go, count 15 or 15 and you haven't a clue.
to L Oquence
imho, use the number you feel is correct, 10 15 even 20, just go for the slice of an image
if you're starting out, do some of the 575 format to help you lay the thing down then work out the right number for the poem you're doing. despite what people will tell you no one here is an expert on the form and the fish pond poem quoted above has been translated a multitude of times with varying syllable counts, some of which have 15.
here's another one he did;
Quote:This separates into on as:
ha-tsu shi-gu-re (5)
sa-ru mo ko-mi-no wo (7)
ho-shi-ge na-ri (5)
Translated:
the first cold shower
even the monkey seems to want
a little coat of straw
This haiku by Bashō illustrates that he was not always constrained to a 5-7-5 on pattern. It contains 18 on in the pattern 6-7-5 ("ō" or "おう" is treated as two on.) sourced form wiki
this is arguably one of the greatest poets of this form, if he can use 18, so can you. the sad thing is, people will tell you to do what they think should be done. that someone tells you not to do 575 is very misleading indeed. on the point of syllable count don't listen us, in truth none of us know the correct way, unless you're japanese there is no correct way. the 575 is the most common of guides. once you get a feel of the thing don't have the syll count in mind, think more about the image and the change in direction. google is your friend