a kind of sonnet

[milo]

Also the rhyme pattern here is that of an Elizabethan sonnet, but I see what you are saying, he is more interested in being right, than in learning anything, and from the look of his "sonnet" that is the tack he has taken throughout his life.

Not at all, even ignoring the ad hominem. All I was doing was providing evidence from Spenser himself that the claim that Spencer did not use Alexandrines in his sonnets was at least questionable.

See too what is said on the matter by Harry Stuart Vedder Jones in in his The Spenser Handbook:

http://tinyurl.com/qfokgh2

I trust that disputing claims is acceptable here.

And Jeffery, if you are holding that up as the type of sonnet you are attempting to imitate, then you are as far off that mark as you are with an Elizabethan sonnet.

Yes, I certainly would be IF I was attempting to imitate an Elizabethan sonnet in terms of its line and rhyme requirements. But, as I've said before, and as my title indicates, I wasn't. If there is any imitation of the ES in my piece, it was of its meter and its substance -- iambs, a problem stated, a problem developed, a volta.

Not too that I never claimed that I was entirely successful in what I attempted to do.

Regardless, I have no need to waste my time on dilettantes.

And I have no need or wish to be on a site where people grow huffy if it is suggested (let alone if actual evidence is provided which shows) that their claims are not entirely correct and where ad hominem is viewed as an acceptable argument against the validity of what someone says.

How do I unsubscribe?

Jeffrey

We allow a certain amount of cattiness in the for fun forum, it helps writers develop a thick skin - a prerequisite for workshopping.

I am surprised to see you taking such offense to a pretty milky term (dilettante) especially considering I have seen you post much worse (is English your first language? How much poetry have you read? have you ever had sex?) in the critical forums, I had thought you would be tougher than this but i suppose some can give easier than get.

As for unsubscribing, it is easy, you stop clicking on the little link that says "pigpenpoetry.com" or typing it into your address bar. You might also find it beneficial to clear your browsing history and remove it from your bookmarks.