09-19-2013, 03:51 AM
(09-19-2013, 03:48 AM)trueenigma Wrote:twerk is a word now, and it is used mostly as stated in its brand new definition so it is not cliche.(09-19-2013, 12:02 AM)milo Wrote:Its/their "use" its really what I meant anyway. I didn't think all the extra typing was necessary not did i have time for it. Slang terms are often figurative use of a word that would otherwise be literal. Twerk however, can never be literal, because it isn't a word. Bit oust used in several different.contexts which i won't get into now, most of them cliche among a certain vernacular group "hip-hop slang", or street slang, ebonics, hood, whatever(09-18-2013, 11:51 PM)trueenigma Wrote: And Miley was still in diapers when it became a cliche.it isn't a cliche anyway. A word can never be a cliche, it is usage that defines that and definition and identity never meet that definition.
Also it is slang. Which, I think, make it not pertinent to the argument. It certainly doesn't debunk milo's claim. Most slang terms are cliche. And most slang terms are (ready for it?) figurative.
It is clear that there is some basic misunderstanding about the definition of the terms "clche" and "subjective" which is clouding the discussion.
The statement "art is subjective" is a great demonstration of what a cliche is. It pretends to be identity but we can test that identity. If art is subjective, we can replace the word "art" in situations with the word "subjective"
I went to the subjective musem.
There was a subjective show at the college.
My best friend is a subjectivist.
nope, not identity. And it is pretty common. That makes it a cliche - a doozy too, it is so overused as to be considered axiomatic without even consideration which makes it great to roll out as a quote occasionally without any thought.