Senryu?
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(07-19-2013, 07:45 PM)billy Wrote:  
(07-19-2013, 07:31 PM)milo Wrote:  I am with Ray on this one for the following reason:

ANY pivot or turn is essentially a metaphor. Haiku have pivots, Haiku have metaphor.

(That Kigo stuff is a load of crap though)
Quote:Now, the important part about the cut, the kireji, which cuts the two parts of the haiku is that it leaves the poem open for the reader to complete. So, it's like the linked verse. You have one verse, the verse is basically unfinished. The next person has to complete that by adding a verse. The same thing happens within the bounds of the haiku, or the hokku. The two parts are sliced in half, and there's an open space which the reader, the audience, is supposed to enter into. [from] http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/at/basho/hbb04.html

the cut is used as punctuation. the reader of the poem can add whatever they wish between the ist image and the 2nd part of the image. but the actual cut is not a metaphor. they are two distinct parts.


if there' any reasonable amount of source material that says otherwise i'll gladly read it
A turn forces readers to compare/contrast 2 disparate entities as if they were the same which is why a cut/turn/pivot is always a metaphor. Ideally, a volta should be a statement of a poems central metaphor.
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Messages In This Thread
Senryu? - by rayheinrich - 07-16-2013, 06:15 AM
RE: Senryu? - by Brownlie - 07-18-2013, 04:45 AM
RE: Senryu? - by billy - 07-18-2013, 06:58 PM
RE: Senryu? - by rayheinrich - 07-19-2013, 07:24 PM
RE: Senryu? - by milo - 07-19-2013, 07:31 PM
RE: Senryu? - by billy - 07-19-2013, 07:45 PM
RE: Senryu? - by milo - 07-19-2013, 08:32 PM
RE: Senryu? - by rayheinrich - 07-20-2013, 05:57 AM
RE: Senryu? - by billy - 07-19-2013, 08:45 PM
RE: Senryu? - by Brownlie - 07-19-2013, 10:57 PM
RE: Senryu? - by milo - 07-20-2013, 05:31 AM
RE: Senryu? - by billy - 07-20-2013, 07:48 AM
RE: Senryu? - by billy - 07-20-2013, 07:20 AM
RE: Senryu? - by Leanne - 07-20-2013, 07:41 AM
RE: Senryu? - by rayheinrich - 07-20-2013, 08:50 AM
RE: Senryu? - by billy - 07-20-2013, 09:07 AM
RE: Senryu? - by rayheinrich - 07-21-2013, 12:05 PM
RE: Senryu? - by billy - 07-21-2013, 02:16 PM



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