starry night (haiku)

[billy]

This changes nothing for me. This modern "form" ((which is not a form at all, since there is no format) is not haiku, but a derivative of haiku, and should be called something else entirely, perhaps "short american poems".

You're not going to convince the whole world that your poem is written in haiku form, no matter how many arguments you present. I didn't read it as a haiku.

I wonder, do you put nearly as much thought and effort into reviewing and critiquing other peoples' poems as you do in defending your own? You haven't even bothered to comment on ANY of mine.

A simple "thank you for your review, I'll take it under advisement" would suffice. If you would like to discuss haiku form, related forms, and the controversies surrounding them, perhaps you should start another thread.

the thing being discussed pertained to hearts poem. some including me felt some of the criteria of a haiku were missing, heart feels the missing parts are acceptable. there's nothing wrong in what's been said, two camps with two pov's. people are not forced to do a tit for tat s far as feedback goes, she comments on other peoples poetry and that's enough. i don't think she comments on my poetry either, again, that's all good, she gives feedback elsewhere and that's all we ask. while a thank you is often the best reply, this is a workshop and if you wish to explain why you do a certain form as you do, it's okay. it's okay that you didn't see it as haiku, i too felt it veered too far from the form but walking away is double edged sword, if you didn't like how she replied you too could have walked away.

I wonder, do you put nearly as much thought and effort into reviewing and critiquing other peoples' poems as you do in defending your own? You haven't even bothered to comment on ANY of mine.

while you may think the above true, it is attacking the poet, attack the poem by all means but never the poet, no matter how you feel. we can as you say, always walk away.

back on topic, i moved this to the discussion forum. it isn't about defending ones poem, all it's turned into is a discussion about haiku. while it may get a little heated, do not attack the poster. no remarks as to how they post etc. keep it to the discussion.

haiku, does it need a seasonal word. while i've read it doesn't, i'm of a mind it does, the modern haiku seems to be hijacked by those who say you can't do this with it or that, and to some extent i agree, the syl count doesn't work, the way it's written often falls short. but to say we can't in the west use the cut seems slanderous

for me it's automatic to think it a non haiku without a seasonal word.
and again without the cut, (the japanese terms aren't really needed) i also think it's about capturing a moment in time, without using poetic devices. this is just my pov, it's not rules, i'm not that smart i can create rules for it. after a fair bit of reading i came to the conclusion that there comes a point when what we start with such as haiku, sonnet etc, stops being relatively true to itself. by all means write 6 line sonnet but call it a six line sonnet. etc but don't call it a sonnet.