Israel

[billy]

This statement is so incorrect. Palestinians do not have the goal of eradicating Israel. The goal of most Palestinians is to live in peace and prosperity like everyone else in the world. You take Hamas' stated desire and pin it on the entire Palestinian nation. These kinds of fallacies attributed to the Palestinian people, in my opinion, are propaganda perpetuated by Israel and the mainstream media to drum up support for Israeli apartheid and massacres of the Palestinian people.

basically yes, it's what they voted for when they amassed a majority in the Palestinian Parliament 2006 parliamentary elections,after that they more or less ran rough shod over the gaza strip in a way that makes Israel look like boy scouts. that's why it's a two state country. fatah has little or no control and if hamas decides to rule all of Palestine its opposition will be crushed, Iran and other outside forces will see to it. i saw people from both sides calling for the annihilation of the other. but most of all i saw hamas leaders baying for it. do you think they'd listen to the good people of Palestine? it's like the Irish conflict. in general Irish people were not terrorist. they were led by terrorist, under a united front. one Ireland, Palestine is two states, Gaza, and the other part. and no matter how good and caring most Palestinians are, they would not be able to stop the total destruction of Israel from the river Jorden to the Mediterranean sea.

Palestine wants one state not a two state solution, yet it can't even achieve that within it's own borders.

And this is funny, because the primary reason Palestine can't form its own state is because the world will not let it,

the rest of the world can't stop it being one state if it so desires. the two state solution refers to two states living in harmony. that is something no countries but Israel and Palestine can sort out. some countries see hamas as a terrorist organisation and as such won't deal with it.

and Israel won't even let it live.

i agree but then again, neither would let the other live.

Furthermore, Israel is living with its massive war machine within "its [Palestine's] own borders."

in what year did Palestine own it? when did the Jews first own it? or the Babylonians or Persians the Muslims? for much of modern times the Jews dwelled there at one point Rome ruled there. for a long time Israel wasn't a homeland for Jews and after the war the British and French gave them Israel which at the time had come under Palestinian rule. (another argument for another time

it was the alleged birthplace of Christianity. 700 years later the Muslims birthed their god, the arguments about who owned it are not as pertinent as who owns it now, and who should own it now. my belief as an outsider is that they should both own as two states. the problem is two or even three sided if you count Hamas. my belief is that both/three parties lay down their weapons and come to an agreement which allows both sides to live in harmony.

Beyond that, Palestinians have no viable leadership to lead them anywhere either. I don't think any psychologically functional leader will ever emerge from the traumatic living environment imposed upon them by Israel, and there doesn't seem to be any Palestinian outside of Palestine with an inclination toward leading the Palestinian people anywhere.

maybe there will be one of those, cometh the moment, cometh the man , times soon. but i can't see it. i can't see Israel not extend it's housing and population outcrops on the west bank either. No country will willingly walk away from what it perceives to be its own and there in lies the problem. none of these two/three states have blood free hands. both are as guilty as the other.