most burglars thieves etc go through the gamut of easy sentencing before getting their first prison terms. most shoplifters have been caught and released as much as twenty or more time, i know this from experience. if you think occupational thieves should walk the streets then that's okay, i think after a few chances stronger measures be used. ankle bracelets, community based work and curfews do not work. lets look at drug related crimes. most people are not in prison because they use drugs, they're locked up because they commit crimes to pay for habits they can afford. while i think weed should be legalised, i'm not of the same mind as far as heroine or dirty drugs go.
I have no desire to dictate the private lives of citizens. are you saying no to all laws? or do you just mean in the bedroom? do you mean people can drive at 60 mph past school yard gates? or drink twenty bottles of beer or two bottles of scotch? do you means police traffic, have courts for personal disputes. why have a gov at all.
i too want the vibrant econ, i too crave safe borders and property right. i too would give a year of my life if it meant a continuing strong jobs market. but none of that is possible without what you already have to work with. it doesn't work at present, i see that. make it work. throw away all the keys that are there to unlock what you want and anklet bracelets will be the last thing you think of as someone strips you of everything you own and you're one of those waves in a sea of of impoverishments lapping at someone elses ankles.
the courts throughout the west are full of these repeat offenders. shall we give them two bracelets each? three, ten,
I have no desire to dictate the private lives of citizens. are you saying no to all laws? or do you just mean in the bedroom? do you mean people can drive at 60 mph past school yard gates? or drink twenty bottles of beer or two bottles of scotch? do you means police traffic, have courts for personal disputes. why have a gov at all.
Quote:I also want a societal safety net and have no desire to step over starving children in the street. Whether that should be handled by government or private charityhow can you have a social safety net, even one built on charity, without dictating the private lives of citizens. to start with no one would give to any charity as so many would be seen to be ripping people off, (no prison for those kind of people remember) you have no gov as such, not only will you stepping over starving kids, you'd be waist high in starving kids, and adults you'll probably have no job, airlines would be a thing of the past, no transport system, no or an almost zero medical capability. it's impractical almost everywhere for me todd. to start with, you lose any state controlled armed force; police, army, navy etc. no national guard. (no one works for nothing.) the rest of the world might give you some aid but it would never be enough. what doesn't work for me is utopia todd. what works for you. anklets for repeat offenders, anarchy? how will you keep the violent criminals locked up in such a society?
Quote: I mostly want people working, a vibrant economy, and safe borders and property rightsproperty rights? they gone all of them including intellectual ones. stolen by people wearing anklets. you're poetry claimed by a dozen of so envious people. artists having to work and write for nothing because theres no punishment strong enough to make it that serious. your house, it now belongs to me, i lock you out of it and change the locks, i remove from you all that you own, including your kids. let's face it, they have nowhere to live.
i too want the vibrant econ, i too crave safe borders and property right. i too would give a year of my life if it meant a continuing strong jobs market. but none of that is possible without what you already have to work with. it doesn't work at present, i see that. make it work. throw away all the keys that are there to unlock what you want and anklet bracelets will be the last thing you think of as someone strips you of everything you own and you're one of those waves in a sea of of impoverishments lapping at someone elses ankles.
(11-11-2012, 08:16 AM)Todd Wrote: What part is impractical for you Billy?what if they refuse community service, or reoffend afterwards? what if they reoffend while they're on probabition, what if they commit crime while wearing the bracelets, when is enough enough.
As far as your thieves and burglars I'm not saying no consequence just why should I pay to incarcerate them. Ankle Bracelet and probation based community work.
the courts throughout the west are full of these repeat offenders. shall we give them two bracelets each? three, ten,