jimmy saville...

[billy]

i just watched it jack, thanks.
while it has no empirical evidence, a lot of the allegations were very alike in the nature of what went on. the behind the curtain, the lack of emotion, the actualities. i'm dumbfounded with his attitude concerning paul (gary glitter) gad and that he thought what gad did was okay if done in the privacy of gad's own room. of course he's not here to defend himself, but just those few woman's transcripts seem pretty damning. i was also amazed that his co workers never said anything at the time.

Billy -- Make no mistake, I find all this as revolting as could be. I just think that 'facts' are relatively scarce. You know that time and time and time again, (eg the case of Baby P) the initial certainties are subsequently found to be wrong. If lessons are to be learned, the true facts must be established. Having said that, I find it difficult to follow each new claim -- it's just too nasty.

Like many people I imagine, I always thought he was downright odd, but then, so many in the entertainment business like to present themselves that way. Ugh.

facts are the most important things, and not only scarce but as you say, he's not around to defend himself. i do think that a preponderance of independent statements if they matched could be seen as highly probable. i have a feeling that many will soon be shown to have colluded in keeping any reports given them while he was alive, hidden.

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Like many people I imagine, I always thought he was downright odd, but then, so many in the entertainment business like to present themselves that way. Ugh.

That kind of reasoning troubles me a bit. You can be strange or whatever without fiddling kids. My brother said that Savile "looked like a paedo". That statement is funny and scary at the same time. I hate to think of some poor bastard getting lynched because he "looked a bit nonsey".

it's easy for a mob to form if someone points an accusing finger, or even if they look a bit as you say, noncey. even if they're noncey in a good way. and come on jack. the pedo thing aside. savile looked a little more than a bit odd