julian assange and asylum

[billy]

I find it mind boggling that so many people will openly support pirate sites, demand freedom of information, insist on their right to transparent governance and still disregard the fundamental issue here, which is censorship of the most appalling kind.

no it isn't and it has nothing at all to do with censorship. he allegedly committed a crime and is trying to evade going to court. piracy is a whole different thing than political asylum but that's okay, i'll roll with it. piracy has nothing to do with freedom of speech. piracy has nothing to do with transparent governance, and finally the people you righteously shout down are all allegedly rolled up in the form of julianna assange, a self professed pirate. a pirate many real pirates would decry as the biggest cunt on the planet. i still can't find where he was an acclaimed early 90's investigative journalist btw, piracy is basically all about copyright laws and how they have been manufactured to make media moguls richer and pirates often support indie stars and artists who ask people to pay what they can or nominal fees. piracy is about watching a film that you've already seen or one you haven't and going to the movies to see it on the big screen if you like, piracy is about sharing because the fuckin price of a music cd is 20 fuckin dollars us of wich 50 cents gooes to the artist if that. piracy has nothing to do with what assange is going throuigh he just claims to be a pirate. piracy...everyone does it, every time you play that cd you got from the market or read a poem by anne sexton on line, thats what piracy is, what it is not is making cd.s from downloads and selling them, thats called theft, he sold what he download, to the highest bidder. he was caught on tape doing so.

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Then again:

nice and clever, but says nothing. a giimmick that states. "what the fuck am i talking about" on the part of the one who posts it, it's a bit like attacking someones grammar cos there's 'cos they got caught talking through their arse

Assange is not a nice man. I don't like him. I don't like hackers much but I have a reasonable amount of respect for some of his reasons. I despise pirates, but then I understand a number of their reasons. However, pirates, hackers, wikileaks and indecisive Swedish women pale into insignificance beside these two things:

you have know idea what his reason were?

1. Ecuador is a sovereign nation. The British people would be pretty fucking upset if Ecuador threatened to invade the British Embassy in Quito.

2. The only significant harm that resulted from any Wikileaks material was to the reputation of governments. If the governments are acting in ways so contrary to the beliefs of their people and their mandates as elected representatives, they should be exposed. We are grown-ups. Governments do not have the right to decide what we're mature enough to deal with. Censorship is a disease.

yes to the 1st and it's obvious the embassy will not be raided, but you see where this is going, assange asks for asylum, the uk try leaning on the embassy as any state whose about to lose a non political prisoner would. (it's called detante) and the shout goes out it's persecution. give me a fuckin break. the uk don't have to nor do they want too raid any embassy, the embassy in question consists of a few rooms in a corner of some building. the rest of the building is non embassy and should assange pop in to a lift he will be legally arrested. so of course they wont raid the place. you don't know is the answer to the 2nd. if there were no privacy or top secret or your eyes only shit, no government could function or do global business. secrecy is a fact of life, and if any one thinks they could then they're wearing big fat heavy blinkers. there would be no private email, no private postal system and no private telephone numbers to mention just a few. i love people who decry piracy then read some poem on the net by a living poet or one whose not dead by 70 years yet. you only have to look at how many times an accredited poem is banded about the web under the misapprehension it's all okay and legal because it's educational "in brackets" well sorry but it isn't legal and if you read them you're a pirate. you may only show a reasonable portion or the whole poem if you can show it's for an educational purpose. saying it's a poetry forum is not enough. pirates never claim shit as their own, assange claimed the documents and said to one newspaper, if you publish these leak i'll sue you for copyright violation. don't believe what they say....read up on it....i did many many times. the guys a fucking leech who should be shot. he had ample opportunity to release them anon but no, julieanna had an ego to boost and bank account to fill, he left the poor old whistleblowing soldier to rot. he's not a pirate, he's a thief of the highest order. he inspires robots, people who can't think for themselves. one guy on here actually stated that assange was his hero. so what awards did he get pre 2005?
i don't think the "im a big cunt award" was out and about at the time.

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I take exception to the derogatory way the word whistle blower is bandied about.

good for you, what other words would you like me to ban ?

Think about who they are, people who have the guts to stand up and tell when everyone around them are taking kickbacks or worse.

yes, they're call whistle-blowers, it isn't derogatory, it means what it says on the label, they blow the whistle on alleged bad people and and alledged bad practices.

We had to do it once, went though weeks of interrogations police lawyers the whole works

yes i remember that me and rushdies sister were there at the time it happened

it is all our place to stop others destroying lives because of greed. Stoping someone from stealing every last cent you own is not being a maggoty shit head. Keeping out of it and feeling smug that it was none of your doing is being a maggoty shit head .

i agree ten thousand percent with you bronte. what assange did had nothing to do with that. he allowed many unredacted file and there were a shit load of them to change hands. african nations were specially hard hit after certain ones were printed. have you seen assanges tv show, well in it he's bent over while russia shaft him so far up the ass his grimmace looks like a smile he allowed captain mannering to get a worse shafting from the USA. honourable men commit honourable acts. maybe the soldier did the deed for what he thought was a good reason and if that were the case then i commend him although i think him foolish for doing ity in such a way. assange has been paid for many of those files even before the usa said they'd want to chat with him (he'd previously argued price lists for certain items) so is assnge worse than a pirate yes, he's worse than pirates and much more, he feeds off the poor whistleblowers the name of which irks you a bit. he feeds and then runs away. even his own people called him a despicable person who was just in it for the money.

As for letting the guy rot in an American prison.. that’s a laugh, what can he say that will get him out. You know how the yanks work..

i don't know how any gov work but i'm sure if sweden extradited him they'd be a shit load of crap hitting fans everywhere.

they make you admit you are guilty so you only spend 10 years instead of 20 behind bars, and by their laws once you say you are guilty all the evidence that can prove otherwise

and this was aired where, on L.A Law?

They don’t care, they really don’t give a shit as long as the prisons are full and the work is done at cheaper rates than they get from illegal immigrants .

what has that got to do with assange

Slavey is alive and doing well over there. And you have to pay $50 or more a day for your food and bed while you are locked up . it cripples the families. The guy was a soldier he was doing time already and his nuts were already lost, he was far from a free man.

and who told you this? (though some forms of slavery are alive and kicking all over the world) are you saying if you go too prison in America and have no money you starve to death ?

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Fucking right!!

Did you see Malcolm Frazer the other morning. Spoke about finding out the real truth of why we were dragged into a war. Why the people who knew there were no WMD’s were ignored, why Howard who was in NY at 911 and was too emotionally involved at the time to make that decision, why one man, can say we are going to war and no one can stop it-- without taking it to the house first. I really do hope it is looked into. but I dare say Abbot will have a hissy fit..

what does that have to do with assange, ?

Censorship is a disease.

yes it is, but sometimes it's the better of two evils.

the leaks that assange made millions off has nothing to do with censorship. i can't be bothered digging up silly pics off google but people through apples through a hoop and catch oranges