Bethlehem
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Version 1.1

I’m scopin’ it out
going ‘round about
aggrieved pout
I’ll becoming in
in Bethlehem.

There’s a fire in the sky
admits no lie
how do you get by
when you're not him
at Bethlehem.

Can you hear them sing
say they all have wings
it’s the new thing
lest you're has-been
from Bethlehem.

cant help if im modern
so please beg my pardon
or talk to the warden
tell him I have sinned
with Bethlehem.

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I’m scopin’ it out
going ‘round about
up down and then
I’ll becoming in
to Bethlehem.

There’s a fire in the sky
that admits no lie
how then to get by
when you wanna be him
in Bethlehem.

Can you hear them sing
say they all have wings
it’s the new thing
unless you’ve been
to Bethlehem.

cant help if im modern
so please beg my pardon
or talk to the warden
tell’em I have sinned
with Bethlehem.

©2012 –Erthona
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?

The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
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#2
It's a shame the 3rd line is without a rhyme. Can I suggest "but there's no doubt". I like "scopin' it out". I think the last verse suffers in comparison to the rest. The rhymes seem forced, especially
cant help if im modern
which in the context of the poem makes not much sense to me.But maybe I'm missing something.
Before criticising a person, try walking a mile in their shoes. Then when you do criticise them, you're a mile away.....and you have their shoes.
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#3
(07-03-2012, 05:43 AM)Erthona Wrote:  
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I’m scopin’ it outscopin or scooping. Not sure either way, don't know what you're meanin' to say. It don't matter anyway
going ‘round about
up down and then
I’ll becoming inbe coming? This is Sodom, surelySmile
to Bethlehem.

There’s a fire in the sky
that admits no lie
how then to get by
when you wanna be him
in Bethlehem. see end

Can you hear them sing
say they all have wings
it’s the new thing
unless you’ve been
to Bethlehem.

cant help if im modern
so please beg my pardon
or talk to the warden
tell’em I have sinned
with Bethlehem.

©2012 –Erthona

Well, that's a wrap....er...rap. Not really my thing but that said ,it reads well and rocks along nicely. I am not going to embarrass myself in attempting a contextual analysis as I will certainly be wrong. I will say ,though, that it reads like a 70' rock ballad.Am I anywhere near?
Best,
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#4
i think you really did sin with this one dale Big Grin it's a 4 verse poem that says very little. which i suppose is what the poem is about. but for me it falls short of being cute, or funny or even serious. all i can think of it is that it's a piss take of some other poem or style of poem. if that's the case then it needs to be nearer the mark of the genre your mocking.
on the other hand i could have got it all wrong and it's a great poem Undecided

thanks for the read.

i had to come back with a ps.

i think it's beyond an edit (almost Wink )
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#5
hey dale
i like the idea and parts of what happens, but overall the execution let me down a bit. i'll explain

(07-03-2012, 05:43 AM)Erthona Wrote:  
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I’m scopin’ it out...great intro to this, especially with the title and context
going ‘round about
up down and then...i don't get why this needs several lines to express
I’ll becoming in...i like the ending on "in". I wish it could play more off of the "inns" of the story
to Bethlehem.

There’s a fire in the sky
that admits no lie...the "that" stole some momentum from me
how then to get by...these rhymes begin to get heavy
when you wanna be him.... i get the informal tone ('im scoping it out'), but "wanna" did little for me
in Bethlehem.

Can you hear them sing
say they all have wings
it’s the new thing
unless you’ve been
to Bethlehem. ..like the idea of this stanza. the "say they all have wings" feels like it wants a subject to me. btw, you already used "to Bethlehem"; it feels like a piece that may want to alternate prepositions

cant help if im modern
so please beg my pardon
or talk to the warden...another area where the importance of these lines doesn't make itself clear to me
tell’em I have sinned
with Bethlehem.

©2012 –Erthona

the transitions between the stanzas feel weak; I think enhancing them would make the piece more cohesive. as is, the stanzas have a startling independence
Written only for you to consider.
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#6
Penguin,

Thanks for the comments. "It's a shame the 3rd line is without a rhyme." It does rhyme with the next three. I originally tried using "about" but it just seemed too cliche (even for this piece). I'll see if I can't make the rhyme consistent.

Dale
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Tom,

" scopin' " from scope, to check out. Vietnam era slang, although still in use in certain sub-cultures. I used it because of the military connotation of recon. This piece deals with certain archetypes. Alpha-omega / beginning - end / Bethlehem - Jerusalem. "becoming" to come into being. With the birth of Christ also comes the birth of the beast, it plays off of "slouching into Bethlehem" from "The Second Coming", by W. B. Yeats.

"And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"

The form, which embodies the characteristics of the shallowness in the majority of rock/pop/rap lyrics is the vehicle of the beast energy which is the shallowness of the supposed "objectivity" of modernism. You can call it affectation versus genuine depth.

Dale
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Billy,

"i think you really did sin with this one dale"

Imitation is the "sin"cerest form of contempt :p

but you are probably correct Smile

Dale
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Geoff,

"...i don't get why this needs several lines to express"

it is the description of his coming into existence, and this in an enemy camp close to the height of its power.
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"..the "that" stole some momentum from me" I had it both ways but I'm not attached to it. I left it mainly for the cadence as I couldn't decide which way worked best.
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" "wanna" did little for me" trying for a elongation of sound, but you are probably right, I don't think it does enough to offset the apparent affectation that using it implies.
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"or talk to the warden...another area where the importance of these lines doesn't make itself clear to me"

Implication is we are all in prison, but in general it says if you don't like what I am doing appeal to the authority figure, which me and mine hold in contempt. Superficially just another way to say "go fuck yourself, I don't give a damn". Notice the inversion with

"so please beg my pardon"

not

"I beg your pardon"

In other words, you are at fault not me.

"cant help if im modern
so please beg my pardon"

Modernism sought to overturn conventional wisdom as well as conventional morality. It (modernistic poetry, Imagism) was also a rebellion against "Romanticism". This was characterized also in the abandonment of conventional punctuation, which you will note is obviously missing in the first line.

"the transitions between the stanzas feel weak; I think enhancing them would make the piece more cohesive. as is, the stanzas have a startling independence"

Yes, this speaks to the dissociative nature of modernism, and is more or less intentional.
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Thanks everyone, I've done another version with some of your suggestions.

Dale
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?

The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
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#7
it reminds me of the MC in beyond the thunderdome (a mel gibson film)
will have a proper look at it later Smile
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#8
"it reminds me of the MC in beyond the thunderdome"

been too long since I've seen it. Is that the one where the guy has an ultralight flyer?

Did you ever see "tank girl" or "Cherry 2000"?
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"will have a proper look at it later "

OK, but it still won't make any sense! Big Grin The muse wrote this one. I got damn little say in it, and didn't even know what it was about until it was done. Of course I /she wrote it in about a minute.[Image: http://pigpenpoetry.com/images/smilies/t...ncheek.gif]

I make no pretense to sanity[Image: http://www.world-of-smilies.com/wos_sonstige/al.gif] in anything I write, and just because I write it as clearly as possible, does not mean it will be clear! Cool



Dale
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?

The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
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that's the one and yes to to the other two Smile
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