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[abu nuwas]

usa was backing sadam all the way in that war,providing him with satelite pics etc.[accounts for complicity]
after the first gulf war thousands of children died due to lack of medicine because of sanctions

You were not referring to the actions of the USA down the years. You were saying that George Bush --and I suppose you mean Bush Jnr-- was responsible for more deaths than Saddam and the others combined. He was still in short pants when the Iraq-Iran war ended, so whatever you may say about the US, it cannot apply to him.

I often hear much righteous talk about how bad the US and UK are, for selling arms. I am not sure what the implication is: that no-one should make arms, sell arms, or what? Would it make any difference at all if the US/UK desisted? Don't you think the Chinese would have been as willing to sell their Silkworm missiles then, as they were to Saddam later? In the real world, countries look at their neighbours, and do not trust them, and want to get arms to deter war or invasion. Sooner or later, that happens. You might as well blame the bloke who sells them orange juice.

I also hear much simplistic, but popular, talk of oil. 'They don't invade Zimbabwe -- no oil!' (Round of applause). But there isn't any oil in Afghanistan -- which seems to torpedo all that. But this has drifted from the topic.

[billy]

many of arms are left overs from the russian occupation.
how does a gove work out should be transparent and what should be secret? the sad truth is they can't and often mediocre stuff is made secret out of necessity. it was cost too much to quantify every memo, speech and idea, every plan, procedure and operation. the truth is it save time and money to lump most military and political piece of info as secret and even top secret. imaging the caso of actually going through everything and then double and triple checking it to make sure it's okay. would the man in the street be happy having more of his tax dollar going into such a project. or are the assangites saying every single thing should be made public

[thethingy]

[youtube]http://youtu.be/G7kFC6KSNVc[/youtube]

hmm.

[thethingy]

/fixed

thanks , the 1/2 million for "house arrest" I thought was interesting, he's staying with his friend.

[billy]

contribution to mannings defense from wikileaks....15,000
i see no mention of book right and film rights revenue. but you wouldn't expect to really would you.