Sorry Ladies, Generic Won't Do
#1
Pulling the panties off, always exciting, but what do I see?
Oh, no, another generic pussy.

What is it with these women regressing into pre-pubescence?
Such mendacity, the sameness of them all with this sacrilegious clearance.

Whatever happened to diversity, that individual scent?
Since primordial times, honey, the veritable bush is what nature meant.

That original rain forest, the wild and delectable morass.
Oh, to breath it in, to touch it, to look at it, to lay my cheek upon this v-shaped patch of grass.

But now gone. Is this the result of years of sufferance, the crowning achievement of sisterhood,
to become indistinguishable from the each other, to bring out the baldy brigade because you could?

I beseech you, ladies, let the garden be;
afterall, it's an integral part of your sensuality.

Please, please, ladies, don't say no;
On the contrary, just let it grow, let it grow.
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#2
(01-23-2011, 09:34 AM)waitingforgodet Wrote:  Pulling the panties off, always exciting, but what do I see?
Oh, no, another generic pussy. the opener made me laugh

What is it with these women regressing into pre-pubescence?
Such mendacity, the sameness of them all with this sacrilegious clearance.

Whatever happened to diversity, that individual scent?
Since primordial times, honey, the veritable bush is what nature meant.

That original rain forest, the wild and delectable morass.
Oh, to breath it in, to touch it, to look at it, to lay my cheek upon this v-shaped patch of grass.

But now gone. Is this the result of years of sufferance, the crowning achievement of sisterhood,
to become indistinguishable from the each other, to bring out the baldy brigade because you could?

I beseech you, ladies, let the garden be;
afterall, it's an integral part of your sensuality. 'after all'

Please, please, ladies, don't say no;
On the contrary, just let it grow, let it grow. would the 2nd let it grow work better on it's own line. is 'just' needed?
i enjoyed this one a lot. though i do like a bald badger meself Big Grin
it has a lot going for it. for me it was original and an easy to read poem.
i do feel it could do with a little enjambment but that could just be down to me. on the whole it was an entertaining poem that gave me a laugh.
thanks for the read jim Wink

i forgot; again the rhyme scheme worked well
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#3
Thank you for the critique, Billy, on all four poems. Most of your comments make sense, and I agree with most of your suggestions, eliminating words like "and" breaking up sentences with a comma here and there; essentially, I think what you're telling me is to go over the poems and eliminate whatever is unnecessary and, as a result, would make the poems stronger. You've used the word enjambment a few times--there's a word I've never used, perhaps I'll write a poem about that word--I do see what you mean overall and I agree with you; however, with some of the lines my intention was not to give the reader a breath.

Thanks.

Jim
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#4
Because the lines are rather long, this comes across like prose at times; ironically for a poem which applauds pubic hair, it could do with quite a bit of trimmingBig Grin

(01-23-2011, 09:34 AM)waitingforgodet Wrote:  Pulling the panties off, always exciting, but what do I see? The syntax here sounds slightly clunky. Would it work better if you shortened it to: "As I pull off her panties what is it I see?"
Oh, no, another generic pussy. Are those commas needed? Also I think an exclamation mark after "pussy" might improve the impact.

What is it with these women regressing into pre-pubescence?
Such mendacity, the sameness of them all with this sacrilegious clearance. Too many words in this couplet (IMHO). Would it work better like this?:

"What is it with women and pre-pubescence,
This regression is simply sacrilegious clearance."

Or something along those lines.


Whatever happened to diversity, that individual scent? Is "to diversity," needed?
Since primordial times, honey, the veritable bush is what nature meant. Could this line be shortened to: "The primordial bush is what nature meant"?

That original rain forest, the wild and delectable morass.
Oh, to breath it in, to touch it, to look at it, to lay my cheek upon this v-shaped patch of grass. Would this couplet work better like so:

"That original forest, the wild morass,
To breathe
[minor grammatcal note: in the context of your line, "breath" needs an "e," seeing as it's a verb] it in, to touch it, to stroke that soft grass."

But now gone. Is this the result of years of sufferance, the crowning achievement of sisterhood,
to become indistinguishable from the each other, to bring out the baldy brigade because you could? Much much much too long, I think. At least half the words here could be disposed of. Perhaps something like:

"But now gone; is this the result of the great sisterhood,
The baldy brigade who shaved 'cause they could?"


I beseech you, ladies, let the garden be;
afterall, it's an integral part of your sensuality. Is "an integral" needed? Simply "a part" would suffice.

Please, please, ladies, don't say no;
On the contrary, just let it grow, let it grow. Is the second "let it grow" required?

Sorry if it seems like I've re-written your work. I really did enjoy this piece - it's jolly and clever and fun - I just think it's a tad overwritten, and could do with some scaling back. Then you'd develop a smoother rhythm which would compliment the funny themes.
"We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges." - Gene Wolfe
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(01-23-2011, 11:18 AM)waitingforgodet Wrote:  Thank you for the critique, Billy, on all four poems. Most of your comments make sense, and I agree with most of your suggestions, eliminating words like "and" breaking up sentences with a comma here and there; essentially, I think what you're telling me is to go over the poems and eliminate whatever is unnecessary and, as a result, would make the poems stronger. You've used the word enjambment a few times--there's a word I've never used, perhaps I'll write a poem about that word--I do see what you mean overall and I agree with you; however, with some of the lines my intention was not to give the reader a breath.

Thanks.

Jim
in the lines where that's your intention then that's your intention and that's how it should be. and yes i did mean cut out anything that doesn't add something to the poem. there's always exceptions to any rule or formula in poetry. the blue rooms is a prime example of allowing a line to ramble. it fits with the type of poem it is. for me the rule of thumb is; put a comma where a comma should go except at the end of a line unless it's really needed. that said, my grammar sucks big time so i have heslopian put me straight on where i go wrong Smile
just use what you can regarding any feedback and discard what you feel doesn't work. it the only way to use it.

hope to see more of you stuff as time goes by jim. and like i say feel free to give feedback on anything you thing warrants it.
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#6
This is fantastically clever, especially with that great title that did not let me know what to expect LOL.
Just a correction on line 10: "...indistinguishable from (the) each other...". I find that your lines are real gems, and would not suffer from a reduction here and there to improve flow and pack more punch in less. Personally I liked the repetition in the last line, only because it reminded me of the song "let it snow, let it snow" LOL Big Grin. Perhaps that's just me.

Thanks for sharing this!
PS. If you can, try your hand at giving some of the others a bit of feedback. If you already have, thanks, can you do some more?
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#7
that song came to mind for me as well lol.

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#8
The Christmas Song?
(01-23-2011, 12:18 PM)Heslopian Wrote:  Because the lines are rather long, this comes across like prose at times; ironically for a poem which applauds pubic hair, it could do with quite a bit of trimmingBig Grin

(01-23-2011, 09:34 AM)waitingforgodet Wrote:  Pulling the panties off, always exciting, but what do I see? The syntax here sounds slightly clunky. Would it work better if you shortened it to: "As I pull off her panties what is it I see?"
Oh, no, another generic pussy. Are those commas needed? Also I think an exclamation mark after "pussy" might improve the impact.

What is it with these women regressing into pre-pubescence?
Such mendacity, the sameness of them all with this sacrilegious clearance. Too many words in this couplet (IMHO). Would it work better like this?:

"What is it with women and pre-pubescence,
This regression is simply sacrilegious clearance."

Or something along those lines.


Whatever happened to diversity, that individual scent? Is "to diversity," needed?
Since primordial times, honey, the veritable bush is what nature meant. Could this line be shortened to: "The primordial bush is what nature meant"?

That original rain forest, the wild and delectable morass.
Oh, to breath it in, to touch it, to look at it, to lay my cheek upon this v-shaped patch of grass. Would this couplet work better like so:

"That original forest, the wild morass,
To breathe
[minor grammatcal note: in the context of your line, "breath" needs an "e," seeing as it's a verb] it in, to touch it, to stroke that soft grass."

But now gone. Is this the result of years of sufferance, the crowning achievement of sisterhood,
to become indistinguishable from the each other, to bring out the baldy brigade because you could? Much much much too long, I think. At least half the words here could be disposed of. Perhaps something like:

"But now gone; is this the result of the great sisterhood,
The baldy brigade who shaved 'cause they could?"


I beseech you, ladies, let the garden be;
afterall, it's an integral part of your sensuality. Is "an integral" needed? Simply "a part" would suffice.

Please, please, ladies, don't say no;
On the contrary, just let it grow, let it grow. Is the second "let it grow" required?

Sorry if it seems like I've re-written your work. I really did enjoy this piece - it's jolly and clever and fun - I just think it's a tad overwritten, and could do with some scaling back. Then you'd develop a smoother rhythm which would compliment the funny themes.


(01-23-2011, 06:11 PM)addy Wrote:  This is fantastically clever, especially with that great title that did not let me know what to expect LOL.
Just a correction on line 10: "...indistinguishable from (the) each other...". I find that your lines are real gems, and would not suffer from a reduction here and there to improve flow and pack more punch in less. Personally I liked the repetition in the last line, only because it reminded me of the song "let it snow, let it snow" LOL Big Grin. Perhaps that's just me.

Thanks for sharing this!


Thank you, Addy. I think you've read the poem the way I wanted it to be read; ironically, more women, I think, have liked this poem more than men. Perhaps they are rethinking this whole business of shaving. As one woman put it to me: "I only do it because heeeeeee wants me to."
(01-23-2011, 12:18 PM)Heslopian Wrote:  Because the lines are rather long, this comes across like prose at times; ironically for a poem which applauds pubic hair, it could do with quite a bit of trimmingBig Grin

(01-23-2011, 09:34 AM)waitingforgodet Wrote:  Pulling the panties off, always exciting, but what do I see? The syntax here sounds slightly clunky. Would it work better if you shortened it to: "As I pull off her panties what is it I see?"
Oh, no, another generic pussy. Are those commas needed? Also I think an exclamation mark after "pussy" might improve the impact.

What is it with these women regressing into pre-pubescence?
Such mendacity, the sameness of them all with this sacrilegious clearance. Too many words in this couplet (IMHO). Would it work better like this?:

"What is it with women and pre-pubescence,
This regression is simply sacrilegious clearance."

Or something along those lines.


Whatever happened to diversity, that individual scent? Is "to diversity," needed?
Since primordial times, honey, the veritable bush is what nature meant. Could this line be shortened to: "The primordial bush is what nature meant"?

That original rain forest, the wild and delectable morass.
Oh, to breath it in, to touch it, to look at it, to lay my cheek upon this v-shaped patch of grass. Would this couplet work better like so:

"That original forest, the wild morass,
To breathe
[minor grammatcal note: in the context of your line, "breath" needs an "e," seeing as it's a verb] it in, to touch it, to stroke that soft grass."

But now gone. Is this the result of years of sufferance, the crowning achievement of sisterhood,
to become indistinguishable from the each other, to bring out the baldy brigade because you could? Much much much too long, I think. At least half the words here could be disposed of. Perhaps something like:

"But now gone; is this the result of the great sisterhood,
The baldy brigade who shaved 'cause they could?"


I beseech you, ladies, let the garden be;
afterall, it's an integral part of your sensuality. Is "an integral" needed? Simply "a part" would suffice.

Please, please, ladies, don't say no;
On the contrary, just let it grow, let it grow. Is the second "let it grow" required?

Sorry if it seems like I've re-written your work. I really did enjoy this piece - it's jolly and clever and fun - I just think it's a tad overwritten, and could do with some scaling back. Then you'd develop a smoother rhythm which would compliment the funny themes.


(01-23-2011, 09:12 PM)waitingforgodet Wrote:  The Christmas Song?
(01-23-2011, 12:18 PM)Heslopian Wrote:  Because the lines are rather long, this comes across like prose at times; ironically for a poem which applauds pubic hair, it could do with quite a bit of trimmingBig Grin

(01-23-2011, 09:34 AM)waitingforgodet Wrote:  Pulling the panties off, always exciting, but what do I see? The syntax here sounds slightly clunky. Would it work better if you shortened it to: "As I pull off her panties what is it I see?"
Oh, no, another generic pussy. Are those commas needed? Also I think an exclamation mark after "pussy" might improve the impact.

What is it with these women regressing into pre-pubescence?
Such mendacity, the sameness of them all with this sacrilegious clearance. Too many words in this couplet (IMHO). Would it work better like this?:

"What is it with women and pre-pubescence,
This regression is simply sacrilegious clearance."

Or something along those lines.


Whatever happened to diversity, that individual scent? Is "to diversity," needed?
Since primordial times, honey, the veritable bush is what nature meant. Could this line be shortened to: "The primordial bush is what nature meant"?

That original rain forest, the wild and delectable morass.
Oh, to breath it in, to touch it, to look at it, to lay my cheek upon this v-shaped patch of grass. Would this couplet work better like so:

"That original forest, the wild morass,
To breathe
[minor grammatcal note: in the context of your line, "breath" needs an "e," seeing as it's a verb] it in, to touch it, to stroke that soft grass."

But now gone. Is this the result of years of sufferance, the crowning achievement of sisterhood,
to become indistinguishable from the each other, to bring out the baldy brigade because you could? Much much much too long, I think. At least half the words here could be disposed of. Perhaps something like:

"But now gone; is this the result of the great sisterhood,
The baldy brigade who shaved 'cause they could?"


I beseech you, ladies, let the garden be;
afterall, it's an integral part of your sensuality. Is "an integral" needed? Simply "a part" would suffice.

Please, please, ladies, don't say no;
On the contrary, just let it grow, let it grow. Is the second "let it grow" required?

Sorry if it seems like I've re-written your work. I really did enjoy this piece - it's jolly and clever and fun - I just think it's a tad overwritten, and could do with some scaling back. Then you'd develop a smoother rhythm which would compliment the funny themes.


(01-23-2011, 06:11 PM)addy Wrote:  This is fantastically clever, especially with that great title that did not let me know what to expect LOL.
Just a correction on line 10: "...indistinguishable from (the) each other...". I find that your lines are real gems, and would not suffer from a reduction here and there to improve flow and pack more punch in less. Personally I liked the repetition in the last line, only because it reminded me of the song "let it snow, let it snow" LOL Big Grin. Perhaps that's just me.

Thanks for sharing this!


Thank you, Addy. I think you've read the poem the way I wanted it to be read; ironically, more women, I think, have liked this poem more than men. Perhaps they are rethinking this whole business of shaving. As one woman put it to me: "I only do it because heeeeeee wants me to."
(01-23-2011, 12:18 PM)Heslopian Wrote:  Because the lines are rather long, this comes across like prose at times; ironically for a poem which applauds pubic hair, it could do with quite a bit of trimmingBig Grin

(01-23-2011, 09:34 AM)waitingforgodet Wrote:  Pulling the panties off, always exciting, but what do I see? The syntax here sounds slightly clunky. Would it work better if you shortened it to: "As I pull off her panties what is it I see?"
Oh, no, another generic pussy. Are those commas needed? Also I think an exclamation mark after "pussy" might improve the impact.

What is it with these women regressing into pre-pubescence?
Such mendacity, the sameness of them all with this sacrilegious clearance. Too many words in this couplet (IMHO). Would it work better like this?:

"What is it with women and pre-pubescence,
This regression is simply sacrilegious clearance."

Or something along those lines.


Whatever happened to diversity, that individual scent? Is "to diversity," needed?
Since primordial times, honey, the veritable bush is what nature meant. Could this line be shortened to: "The primordial bush is what nature meant"?

That original rain forest, the wild and delectable morass.
Oh, to breath it in, to touch it, to look at it, to lay my cheek upon this v-shaped patch of grass. Would this couplet work better like so:

"That original forest, the wild morass,
To breathe
[minor grammatcal note: in the context of your line, "breath" needs an "e," seeing as it's a verb] it in, to touch it, to stroke that soft grass."

But now gone. Is this the result of years of sufferance, the crowning achievement of sisterhood,
to become indistinguishable from the each other, to bring out the baldy brigade because you could? Much much much too long, I think. At least half the words here could be disposed of. Perhaps something like:

"But now gone; is this the result of the great sisterhood,
The baldy brigade who shaved 'cause they could?"


I beseech you, ladies, let the garden be;
afterall, it's an integral part of your sensuality. Is "an integral" needed? Simply "a part" would suffice.

Please, please, ladies, don't say no;
On the contrary, just let it grow, let it grow. Is the second "let it grow" required?

Sorry if it seems like I've re-written your work. I really did enjoy this piece - it's jolly and clever and fun - I just think it's a tad overwritten, and could do with some scaling back. Then you'd develop a smoother rhythm which would compliment the funny themes.

Hi, Jack. I don't know if you got my reply or not--still having trouble navigating the website, but I am stumbling along. I agree that "pussy" should have an exclamation point or be written as pussyeeeeeee for effect and you're right with a few better placed punctuation marks; however, although the lines you rewrote are shorter, I don't think they work as well, not as powerfull, really, don't have the impact of an angry guy who doesn't like what he's seeing out there, rather, what he's seeing down there. What I really liked about your critique was the thorough manner in which you did it taking the time to break it down as you did. Thank you. p.s. please let me know that you've received this reply, so I'll know I pressed the right box--Jim

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#9
Yes I did receive the reply, though I had to trawl through several long quotes to find it! Once I'd published my critique I thought maybe that your intention was not to forge a pleasant rhyme but rather to make it deliberately dense, with abundance of detail and so forth. Thank you for being so courteous about my commentSmile
"We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges." - Gene Wolfe
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#10
hiy the reply button on the post you want to reply too jim and the post underneath the last quote, that way you post is separate from the quote. you can also delete from the quoted section if you just replying to one part of it. hopefully you'll stay long enough to get used to it Smile.

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