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will it ever happen; read this:
experiments are now being done that compresses atoms together instead of splitting them apart as in a fission reactor.
i think eventually (if we live long enough) we'll sort it out, maybe in a hundred years or a bit less, but i can't see anything up and running properly in the next 50 years. nice if it was though.
Interesting, If they get it working and create what... a miniature sun?? then what happens if the system fails? The springs then catch the sun?
We're a long way from there but it does sound promising  ..
And if power fails then half a tons worth of metal will fall  ...
And they won't actually be a sun. Just the same type of fusion is known to happen in the sun 
Not really sure that once you have started the reaction that any fail safe will contain it.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/fusion-reactor.htm
There's a link that explains how it works.
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They'll sort it out i'm sure,
they contain the nuclear fission particles.
i can't see why the can't contain the fusion particles. (which are cleaner)
Well if the power breaks down, then the gas will expand and the metal will fall because there is no more polarity..
That is my understanding, feel free to prove me wrong
And they have normally back-up systems and pressured rooms so nothing can blow up or do dangerous stuff... They won't just build something ridiculously unsafe.
EDIT: Billy i think it requires more energy to compress than to tear the bonding inside the atoms.
3 mile island and Chernobyl are great examples of how that is indeed done.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident
Fusion is a much more powerfull nuclear reaction.
Then there is big trouble.
However may I point out it has not happened for the last 30 years? I think safety measures have improved sdo far but there is always a chance 
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(01-29-2010, 09:57 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: 3 mile island and Chernobyl are great examples of how that is indeed done.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident
Fusion is a much more powerfull nuclear reaction.
unlike fission where particles smash and set off a chain reaction. fusion compresses the material. only a small amount of fissionable material will be being used at any time. though i does burn at the same temp as the sun
you only name two accidents benny. i could have said a few more as well.
less people killed or affected than traffic accidents. do we ban cars?
less people killed that with guns used in crimes, do we ban guns.
arguably less people killed or injured due to hunting accidents do we ban hunting..and the list goes on.
Two seemed enough, I would have thought one was but thats just me.
People are still dieing from the fallout.
Burning as hot as the sun, the power of the sun contained here on earth in a room with a fail safe. Cut me some slak if I say that the fail safe will work properly after it fails the first time if there is anything or anyone left to fix it.
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(01-29-2010, 10:14 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: Two seemed enough, I would have thought one was but thats just me.
People are still dieing from the fallout.
Burning as hot as the sun, the power of the sun contained here on earth in a room with a fail safe. Cut me some slak if I say that the fail safe will work properly after it fails the first time if there is anything or anyone left to fix it.
if there was an accident people would surely die. shit happens, nothings safe. not even hunting. not even petroleum plants or oil rigs. not even leftover landmines.
(01-29-2010, 10:17 AM)billy Wrote: (01-29-2010, 10:14 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: Two seemed enough, I would have thought one was but thats just me.
People are still dieing from the fallout.
Burning as hot as the sun, the power of the sun contained here on earth in a room with a fail safe. Cut me some slak if I say that the fail safe will work properly after it fails the first time if there is anything or anyone left to fix it.
if there was an accident people would surely die. shit happens, nothings safe. not even hunting. not even petroleum plants or oil rigs. not even leftover landmines.
And you have driven my point home for me thankyou. People die, it has to become an unacceptable risk. The amount of people that die is paramount to playing roulette. They don't know till they kill them and add up the data.
(01-29-2010, 09:15 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: Interesting, If they get it working and create what... a miniature sun?? then what happens if the system fails? The springs then catch the sun?
People will die. No system is fool proof. Not one. Every technological discovery that humanity has made has had its "mishaps" i.e. casualty's. And the ones yet to come will also. Bet on it.
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actually i said people will die.
they could die in constructing the plant they could die in numerous ways people die benny. but we can't take as a given that even one of these fission plants if built will blow up or erupt.
we do take risks with everything we do though. and probably people may even die in a fission explosion.
we do the best we can, we take as much precaution as we can...and then dick chaney either shoots someone on a hunting trip or someone shoots him. i been in three car crashes, two pretty bad ones. it happens. i won't stop getting in cars though. it won't happen in my life time but i'd welcome fission with open arms should it.
i wonder how many people die each year from inhaling pollutants for the exhaust of cars.
Very few unless self inflicted i would guess. No absolutly not, as soon as private money is involved people have little to no value other than to compare law suits to proffit margins.
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01-29-2010, 11:54 AM
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? very few self inflicted pollutants for exhausts 
deaths from guns (non war)
thats 660 only in the usa from accidental and 220 unattributed.
in one year. how many over the last ten years world wide?
how many from guns in general, much more than nuke stations.
i can feel what your going to say coming on all ready 
guns don't kill people people kill people right?
but if we had no guns people couldn't fuck up with them. we do and they do.
same with nuke power. we could turn them off and bury the uranium but we don't. guns kill more people than nuke station. they've killed more people than the nuclear bombs, shall we ban them?
and many guns have killed from being badly constructed. many many guns have killed or maimed in this way.
Actually I was going to say that guns don't kill people, money kills people. The more money made is equall to the rise in death toll. The total is still not in on deaths by nuclear accident as a result of lowering the bottom line. The same can be said for what ever argument you put forth. It's a simple truth really and one that gets overlooked for a buck or two.
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(01-29-2010, 01:43 PM)Benny2guns Wrote: Actually I was going to say that guns don't kill people, money kills people. The more money made is equall to the rise in death toll. The total is still not in on deaths by nuclear accident as a result of lowering the bottom line. The same can be said for what ever argument you put forth. It's a simple truth really and one that gets overlooked for a buck or two. the total still isn't in on how many people are killed by guns either
i'm wondering how many people google owners have killed, a few dissidents in china maybe.
how about micro softs main guy. the one who gave billions away.
anyway. i belive fusion will be a good thing when it comes
Well it will most certainly arrive sooner or later bill. I would hope much, much later so the proper R&D is done. I would expect as evidenced by historical fact that it will be much, much sooner than safty would like to see. Large numbers will perish as a result of greed from the fat cats.
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(01-31-2010, 07:49 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: Well it will most certainly arrive sooner or later bill. I would hope much, much later so the proper R&D is done. I would expect as evidenced by historical fact that it will be much, much sooner than safty would like to see. Large numbers will perish as a result of greed from the fat cats.
could be benny.
i know it's a little off topic but i'd love to see a perpetual motion engine.
a sterling engine is almost there but not quiet
as to the fusion power.
it's possible they'll cock it up. but once its sorted (if its sorted )think of the possibilities.
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