Global Warming

[billy]

well,i'm looking out of the window at a second year without snow.

thats because your an arab :p

jk.

i heard somewhere that much of the water that comes from the peaks of the Himalayas as melt water, has stopped up because the glacier on it has all but disappeared.. that the ice line is a lot higher than can ever be remembered.
have you see it with your own eyes?

as you maybe know i work as a trekking guide so i spend about 4 months a year up in the mountains at various places,and i must say there is a big difference in snowfall and glaciers are retreating pretty fast,it's noticeble even in the short timespan of about 30 years.where i live we used to get appr.2 meters of snow every winter and it would lay on the ground for months,in the last 15 years it'll snow a bit,melt away and get a bit more,not good enough,springs drying up,powercuts because the dams run out of meltwater etc.last 2 years it didn't snow at all.

sounds pretty dire. never knew you were a guide

[srijantje]

didn't snow at all,meaning at 2000mts,where i live,higher up it snowed,but not enough

[. . . .]

The idea that humans are in no way affecting the climate and the overall deterioration of the planet... that's bullshit.

A lot of people would rather be comfortable, would rather go on thinking that we don't have a responsibility to do anything for the planet. Because yeah, it's just there to be used, not taken care of, amiryte?

Sorry for the rant

That is the simple fact; we have emitted much more CO into the air then the ecosystem is used to dealing with in such a short amount of time. Results; Hotter "summer cycles" between glacial ages will result. The polar ice caps may melt off. For nature to compensate for the changes it may take up to 400,000 years to deal with it.
We as a species wont die from it, most others will, but our evolutionary tract will be altered by the heat (maybe develop more sweat glands, bigger noses ect ) We are going to actually influence our own evolution. Scary.

[Benny2guns]

I would submit this....stop looking at the data and using what you believe to be common sense, I am not being rude just incase you are bent that way. Have a look at the people at the top. The people making policy and look deep. Look at where they come from and other organizations that they belong to. Cross reference there friends in business lists with family backgrounds and bank accounts. It's all out there and in your face, if i see it then any person with a low IQ can.
What you are relying on are facts supplied to use by people that are being paid by people with an entirely different agenda than the agenda they are suppling us with.
Honestly fellas all bullshit aside if i did not think it important to at least try to get you to look I would not open myself up to the ridicule cause i don't have that much time.
Look at the UN and where and how it came to be. Look at all the leaders and other place's they are involved. Look at the Rothschild's family and their background, the families that surround them and their positions all over the world in key places of power and decision making. Not just now but the link can be sustained back hundreds of years. Follow the money.

[billy]

I would submit this....stop looking at the data and using what you believe to be common sense, I am not being rude just incase you are bent that way. Have a look at the people at the top. The people making policy and look deep. Look at where they come from and other organizations that they belong to. Cross reference there friends in business lists with family backgrounds and bank accounts. It's all out there and in your face, if i see it then any person with a low IQ can.
What you are relying on are facts supplied to use by people that are being paid by people with an entirely different agenda than the agenda they are suppling us with.
Honestly fellas all bullshit aside if i did not think it important to at least try to get you to look I would not open myself up to the ridicule cause i don't have that much time.
Look at the UN and where and how it came to be. Look at all the leaders and other place's they are involved. Look at the Rothschild's family and their background, the families that surround them and their positions all over the world in key places of power and decision making. Not just now but the link can be sustained back hundreds of years. Follow the money.

well sorry benny but about me you're wrong. my common sense sees it happening my eyes see it happening. i'm not saying it because i see what the politicians say. i see kids and adults literally gagging in the street. i see and notice actual temperature changes i see that winter comes a week or even two weeks later and summer the same earlier.

my common sense tells me that if the ice seldom melted in my first forty years of life and then melt at an exponential rate in my last 14 years, that something isn't right. i see factual programs as to how the ice melt has receded up the Himalayas and see people who live there tell and show how it used to be. i see and hear about polar bears dying because of ice flows they stand on break up and carry them too far out to sea that they cant swim back. i see the difference in the last 14 years benny. i see it with my own eyes. i see all that fucking pollution being pumped into the air and i, me, not influenced by any scientist, or politician, or made up film or conspiracy theorist,or google chart, or climate graph, think we must be affecting the climate.

[Benny2guns]

Look i am not saying that it does not exist, what i am saying is that it is going to happen with or with out our assistance. That has nothing to do with the fact that what I am talking about is in fact historical and present day fact and will not be dismissed because some guy hollers conspiracy theory. Thats just another way they hide fact in plain site.
We have had and will have warming and cooling trends it is the way she works bill. Did you read the questions i asked or are you stuck on the title? Have you even bothered to look for evidence other than what you have been told in pirate forums? If you have then I say you are amoug the few, but i can tell from your response that you infact have not. Don't take it personal it's just an observation i have made and a conclusion i came up with on my own. Prove me wrong, do some investigating on your own, I have been looking for a long time but me suppling links will not in any way help others to find it on their own.
What it will indeed do is provide you and others with the material to dismiss me as just another conspiracy theorist and that I won't have as that is what i am not. Facts are facts, find them. It is the only way you may stand a chance of seeing the truth for yourself which is infact all i want.

[billy]

Look i am not saying that it does not exist, what i am saying is that it is going to happen with or with out our assistance. That has nothing to do with the fact that what I am talking about is in fact historical and present day fact and will not be dismissed because some guy hollers conspiracy theory. Thats just another way they hide fact in plain site.
We have had and will have warming and cooling trends it is the way she works bill. Did you read the questions i asked or are you stuck on the title? Have you even bothered to look for evidence other than what you have been told in pirate forums? If you have then I say you are amoug the few, but i can tell from your response that you infact have not. Don't take it personal it's just an observation i have made and a conclusion i came up with on my own. Prove me wrong, do some investigating on your own, I have been looking for a long time but me suppling links will not in any way help others to find it on their own.
What it will indeed do is provide you and others with the material to dismiss me as just another conspiracy theorist and that I won't have as that is what i am not. Facts are facts, find them. It is the only way you may stand a chance of seeing the truth for yourself which is infact all i want.

of course we have climate change and of course it's a natural phenom. what isn't natural is how we affect it to the extent we are doing. to say we don't effect it is simply ludicous. look into the sky of any major city with your own eyes and tell that black sooty cloud that stretches hundreds and hundreds of miles doesn't affect climate change.

we affect it to say we don't, well that where the head in the sand and the burying of it comes into play.

benny i live in the philippines. i see people dying from the polution thats speeding up the climate change. benny stop with the supplying links stuff. you can't tell me i'm only looking at such and such links then say you've been doing lots of research re links yourself. i'm not talking about links. i'm talking about what i see. live in the philippines for a year and then tell me we don't affect climate change.

[Benny2guns]

Look i am not saying that it does not exist, what i am saying is that it is going to happen with or with out our assistance. That has nothing to do with the fact that what I am talking about is in fact historical and present day fact and will not be dismissed because some guy hollers conspiracy theory. Thats just another way they hide fact in plain site.
We have had and will have warming and cooling trends it is the way she works bill. Did you read the questions i asked or are you stuck on the title? Have you even bothered to look for evidence other than what you have been told in pirate forums? If you have then I say you are amoug the few, but i can tell from your response that you infact have not. Don't take it personal it's just an observation i have made and a conclusion i came up with on my own. Prove me wrong, do some investigating on your own, I have been looking for a long time but me suppling links will not in any way help others to find it on their own.
What it will indeed do is provide you and others with the material to dismiss me as just another conspiracy theorist and that I won't have as that is what i am not. Facts are facts, find them. It is the only way you may stand a chance of seeing the truth for yourself which is infact all i want.

of course we have climate change and of course it's a natural phenom. what isn't natural is how we affect it to the extent we are doing. to say we don't effect it is simply ludicous. look into the sky of any major city with your own eyes and tell that black sooty cloud that stretches hundreds and hundreds of miles doesn't affect climate change.

we affect it to say we don't, well that where the head in the sand and the burying of it comes into play.

benny i live in the philippines. i see people dying from the polution thats speeding up the climate change. benny stop with the supplying links stuff. you can't tell me i'm only looking at such and such links then say you've been doing lots of research re links yourself. i'm not talking about links. i'm talking about what i see. live in the philippines for a year and then tell me we don't affect climate change.

I beleive you see something happening there bill, i really do, but i do not see it here. I see it in Toronto when i go there but that is localized. The farther you get away from the city the less you see it. I've lived all over Canada and worked also. I can honestly say that i see no climate change as per say. I know that everything contributes to it, i'm not with an IQ so low as to be blind completely.

[billy]

Look i am not saying that it does not exist, what i am saying is that it is going to happen with or with out our assistance. That has nothing to do with the fact that what I am talking about is in fact historical and present day fact and will not be dismissed because some guy hollers conspiracy theory. Thats just another way they hide fact in plain site.
We have had and will have warming and cooling trends it is the way she works bill. Did you read the questions i asked or are you stuck on the title? Have you even bothered to look for evidence other than what you have been told in pirate forums? If you have then I say you are amoug the few, but i can tell from your response that you infact have not. Don't take it personal it's just an observation i have made and a conclusion i came up with on my own. Prove me wrong, do some investigating on your own, I have been looking for a long time but me suppling links will not in any way help others to find it on their own.
What it will indeed do is provide you and others with the material to dismiss me as just another conspiracy theorist and that I won't have as that is what i am not. Facts are facts, find them. It is the only way you may stand a chance of seeing the truth for yourself which is infact all i want.

of course we have climate change and of course it's a natural phenom. what isn't natural is how we affect it to the extent we are doing. to say we don't effect it is simply ludicous. look into the sky of any major city with your own eyes and tell that black sooty cloud that stretches hundreds and hundreds of miles doesn't affect climate change.

we affect it to say we don't, well that where the head in the sand and the burying of it comes into play.

benny i live in the philippines. i see people dying from the polution thats speeding up the climate change. benny stop with the supplying links stuff. you can't tell me i'm only looking at such and such links then say you've been doing lots of research re links yourself. i'm not talking about links. i'm talking about what i see. live in the philippines for a year and then tell me we don't affect climate change.

I beleive you see something happening there bill, i really do, but i do not see it here. I see it in Toronto when i go there but that is localized. The farther you get away from the city the less you see it. I've lived all over Canada and worked also. I can honestly say that i see no climate change as per say. I know that everything contributes to it, i'm not with an IQ so low as to be blind completely.

so if everything contributes to it, shouldn't we try and contribute to it less?
shouldn't we search for and use more wind power, wave poer even nuke power. instead of raping the earth.

people talk of rain forest and how much carbon they hold. well imagine all the carbon that they held for millenniums, all those dead leaves every year. all those fallen trees for 2 or 20 million years. all the carbon they held and think of us in just the last 100 year releasing only 1% of that carbon into the atmosphere. carbon above and beyond natures release via volcanoes etc. not only do we do that we kill carbon based creature to extinction. these dead fish no long fall to the bottom of the oceans in large quantities and trap carbon in the ocean sinks. no we catch so many of the fuckers they die out. we eat so many of the fucker releasing carbon that would usually be trapped in silt into an already polluted atmosphere.
we cut down rain forest and normal forest and turn it into farmland. where things would take and hold carbon for ten years they now hold it for a few months and it gets released again. the earths warehouse for co2 is full.

you say you don't see it. sj here says his mountains are dying, i say the philippines are dying, anytime you see a major city on the tv you can see its people are dying. and yet you talk about links. i can link with the best of them and for every link you show to say we don't affect it i'll show you two that says we are. i'm not talking about links benny.

i'm talking about fish quotas around the world being made so that we still have a few fish to catch. i'm talking about races such as the Inuit and Chechen losing for the first time in thousands of years the life they and their ancestors have always led. not just loosing it but doing so in a lifespan of a man. you may not see it where you live. but you live in a really smal part of the earth.

vfog linked to a site on pu that told about a melting glacier in the 40.s
if you read it it says because of aerosols (a fucking man made product) he's quoting a man made product as making a glacier melt and saying man plays no part in it. the link goes on to explain that theirs a reason this place melted so fast. it also states categorically that we play a part in climate change. how good is that, using a link to say we don't affect when if you actually read it is states we do affect it. also take into consideration this was in the 40's . most of us believe this has been going on since the industrial revolution. way before the 40's. and that's the proof people show to defend the rape of the fucking planet.

as an added thought take a look at india. the monsoon used to help the land. now it wipes the land away. and the people on it. it's become such a regular phenom in the last 20 years. or so. they've always had monsoon there but not like this.

[Benny2guns]

I do not contest the fact that we contribute, I have already stated that.
What I am saying is we can not stop it. It will happen anyway. If we speed it up or not is not the question. What the actual engine that drives the events that force people to cut down forrests and drive cars and cluster together by the millions in large cities concentrating levels of everything bad within their imediate line of site and then depending on the media and paid employe's of the top few for the rest of the truth is. I have watched this same debate run in fucking circles time and time again. Do i consciously make an effort to do my part to help, hell yes i do! Do i buy things that are sold on the pretext that they are green, not a fucking chance.
The big companies that put all that shit up in the air, you know the ones with the big smoke stacks and the gas companies that burn off all that gas, they are regulated in some parts of the world and are under emission caps. Did you know that all they have to do is to pay extra for Carbon credits and they can pump the fuck away to their evil fucking harts content and still call themselves green contributers?
And this while we all sit and say, oh look they are tring because the government say's they have complied, excuse me if i say get fucked.
Some of the people in the government actually own large shares in the god damn companies doing it. The evedence is there to be seen, plain as the nose on your face.
EDIT; By the way have you looked at a map lately? Canada is hardly a small place, I travel it alot, have done all my life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissions_trading

[billy]

I do not contest the fact that we contribute, I have already stated that.
What I am saying is we can not stop it. It will happen anyway. If we speed it up or not is not the question. What the actual engine that drives the events that force people to cut down forrests and drive cars and cluster together by the millions in large cities concentrating levels of everything bad within their imediate line of site and then depending on the media and paid employe's of the top few for the rest of the truth is. I have watched this same debate run in fucking circles time and time again. Do i consciously make an effort to do my part to help, hell yes i do! Do i buy things that are sold on the pretext that they are green, not a fucking chance.
The big companies that put all that shit up in the air, you know the ones with the big smoke stacks and the gas companies that burn off all that gas, they are regulated in some parts of the world and are under emission caps. Did you know that all they have to do is to pay extra for Carbon credits and they can pump the fuck away to their evil fucking harts content and still call themselves green contributers?
And this while we all sit and say, oh look they are tring because the government say's they have complied, excuse me if i say get fucked.
Some of the people in the government actually own large shares in the god damn companies doing it. The evedence is there to be seen, plain as the nose on your face.
EDIT; By the way have you looked at a map lately? Canada is hardly a small place, I travel it alot, have done all my life.

canada's has 6.7% of the total landmass benny.you of course won't see pollution there as we do here because it's not really what you call well populated. throw a billion chinese into it with all their factories. you'll really see a change. but without that, you're fishing in the ocean will be affected. the seasons will be. and will continue to be. bears will come out of hibernation sooner or later. where the secular i'm safe because i can't see it person falls down is this, we're all globally connected, now.

anyway enough of that. you say we can't stop it. no we can't but we can make it more gradual. we can stop polluting rivers and oceans., the air etc.
we can do it and in doing so give ourselves some fresh air at least. these pollutants that you say don't affect you, maybe they don't but the largest populations don't live in canada, pretty soon they may. pretty soon when the pristine mountains and country are the only livable place f earth left people may flock there and fuck that place up as well. we're now officially a world of migrants. lookout canada cos they'll be there soon.

have a google about the lessening of the of salmon runs in canada and russia, because of the fact that many less return each year due to poisoning at sea. of other wildlife because climate change, how it affects the polar bear and penguin etc.

of course we can do something about it. we just don't want to,

that you know we contribute to it is something.

[Benny2guns]

Here is a neat little link that has lots of clickable links in it that will show where the decisions on this topic are alledged to be made.
I am still researching myself but the ties are interesting.
http://www.muckety.com/Lynn-Forester-de-...24.muckety

[billy]

Here is a neat little link that has lots of clickable links in it that will show where the decisions on this topic are alledged to be made.
I am still researching myself but the ties are interesting.
http://www.muckety.com/Lynn-Forester-de-...24.muckety

i couldn't find anything of relevance there

[Benny2guns]

Did you look at the links within to political entities to who they contribute too? There are a lot of links there bill, no way you read through them, I still haven't and i've been at it for days man. Also cross referancing with masons and traceing family trees. It's a large pile of documents to sift through man but it seems to always lead to this family,Banks, steel, oil, gold, diamonds, railroads, and masons. War, weapons of all kinds, polution, mass murder, UN leaders that were in charge of the global warming research, I have to tell you it's really mind blowing to actually research all this stuff and start seeing that it's not all the BS that i really thought it was.
Still working on it.

[billy]

Did you look at the links within to political entities to who they contribute too? There are a lot of links there bill, no way you read through them, I still haven't and i've been at it for days man. Also cross referancing with masons and traceing family trees. It's a large pile of documents to sift through man but it seems to always lead to this family,Banks, steel, oil, gold, diamonds, railroads, and masons. War, weapons of all kinds, polution, mass murder, UN leaders that were in charge of the global warming research, I have to tell you it's really mind blowing to actually research all this stuff and start seeing that it's not all the BS that i really thought it was.
Still working on it.

who and what they contribute too has little meaning as to weather we contribute to climate change. not to me anyway. most of the research are done by people like you and me, normal working men and women, many of them too dedicated not to spill the beans on any mass cover up.

that some many even try and influence the outcome i have no doubt. most of them though i would put on the side of naysayers who say we don't influence,

[Benny2guns]

Well i say thats hog wash bill and a narrow minded veiw. But thats why we are in the mess we are in. You would almost think it was planed that way but surly no one can play that many moves ahead can they? I am looking for a bit of help with the research incase you had not noticed, but i know your to busy so i'll get back to it myself.
Buy the way....somebody is paying, the money always and i mean always does the talking.

[billy]

Well i say thats hog wash bill and a narrow minded veiw. But thats why we are in the mess we are in. You would almost think it was planed that way but surly no one can play that many moves ahead can they? I am looking for a bit of help with the research incase you had not noticed, but i know your to busy so i'll get back to it myself.

keep us updated.

and i'd help but as you have already stated, i'm a post hog with too little time

[billy]

that was 2007 vfog what does it say now?

IPCC author Ian Allison, from the Australian Antarctic Division, says the current science indicates the continued rate of warming could see glaciers disappear in 200 to 300 years.

"When you take any report that is as large and involving as many authors as the IPCC, you'll get a few errors," he said.

"That one error doesn't detract from the fact that glaciers around the world are decreasing in size.

"They are contributing to sea level and that rate of decrease has accelerated in the last 10 to 20 years."

an excerpt from. source

an excerpt, source;

Extreme climate events are destroying crops, depleting water resources, causing losses in livestock, cropland, and agricultural productivity, and destroying the meagre infrastructure present, thus reducing market access and access to public services.

- Rainwater harvesting and revival of traditional and new water storage systems are crucial for water storage but must be adapted to the more extreme water events.

[Benny2guns]

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[billy]

al gore being sued by 30 000 scientists. why hasn't it happened then?

and the other prick who says co2 is basically just water vapour....are we supposed to believe these guys. whater vapour is h2o theres no co2 in fucking water vapour. they say co2 isn't poisonous.

well go in a room and flood it with co2. you'll fuckin die. people dies in rooms that have oxygen. co2 is a heavier gas so it's found lower down. they die in their sleep from wonky heaters that aren't properly vented lmao. shove the exhaust of your car in your window na dtell me it isn't fucking poisonous. once it reaches a certain level it's fucking deadly.

it's what i'd expect off fox though.