Understanding i/as a Positive Hoax

[rowens]

Understanding i/as a Positive Hoax

Regulating Energy
The Social-Cultural-Thing-ThingThing
  Sensations, not Pain/Pleasure,
  but cycling sensations . . . 
This/That, That/That, This/This
  the animating factors
 difference/sameness ;
  this to that . . . 
  tension / release 
The next same / the next next / the same
same
    Why linebreaks feel      

[CRNDLSM]

Went over my head a few times, probably still is, 

Understanding i/as a Positive Hoax
A few times you've mentioned not capitalizing as a means for something so I'm seeing 'i' as the 'me' and not imaginary, a positive hoax could be an uplifting lie

Regulating Energy 
The Social-Cultural-Thing-ThingThing I think I get this classification, maybe too many 'things'
  Sensations, not Pain/Pleasure, why not pain/pleasure because later tension / release seems to be that, and this.  Maybe not pain/pleasure specifically because generally it also can cycle?
  but cycling sensations . . . 
This/That, That/That, This/This
  the animating factors
 difference/sameness ; 
  this to that . . . 
  tension / release social cultural thing thingthing sensations
The next same / the next next / the same
same this is my favorite line
    Why linebreaks feel      I don't understand the last line at all, it itself could probably spark an entirely different poem though.

Is this a definition, a description, a musing, a statement.  I can't say it isn't interesting, maybe it will teach me something

[rowens]

I'm taking this slow. Sometimes the angels seem to want it that way. And if I act too fast, they give Emily Browning yet another boyfriend I'm going to have to hear about.
Serious/Not serious.
We're in the same ballpark. Baseball or soccer, depends on what I do next.

I'm going to go slowly, and post step by step.
We're on this togerher.
I mean together.

: Rirs, First, you're looking at the title. I wrote that three times wrong, and kept getting punished for it. An uplifting lie is right. And i/as is is/as.

Isis? Is Ra El? But let's stay in the secular field wherein i stated, I mean....started.

Step by step. Not me just leaving as that. And it has to ve, I mean., ,,,, be, oh, the fake errors, be fast. I'm tried, .. tired.

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Next . . . ok,

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It seems to be that cycle is the thing. And/But/And It is a character in my/Stephen KIng's tropics, so that's problematic, too.

I, meaning me . . . I think, it's a notion that we can't just be. Say HAPPY. Happy all the time. It's as though, whatever we are, we don't want anything, as much as we want this slash that. We want pleasure, we want pain, we want the next. Otherwise, we'd just have what we have, after all these years, and not say, Well . . .

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Near the end, there are actually spaces between the actual spaces. I mean, spaces between the actual slashes. And spaces between the things before and after the slashes.
This could mean, we're getting somewhere.
It could mean we're spacing farther, not further, away. And, then, again, It is a problematic word. Every time you register it, though, maybe not every time you see it, it means something, well, else.

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The next same / the next next / the same
same this is my favorite line

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That last bit, there, in red, to be obvious, is what could be misconstrued on your part.

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The last line describes in prose how line breaks feel.

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I want to be. But I can't unless I'm this or that. Not this and that. This and that, by turn.

That's logic.

That is logic.
But I'm saying, it's silly.

If you, or U, in common parlance, were happy all the time: would you be you? Or would you be a ping without a pong?
And, if so, why not enjoy the ping and the pong?
I tell you why, Because they'd all be pong. And there are much much many other things.


But just imagine being ping , ping in all worth of everything,
and nothing else,
then get back to me.

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Mild. See.

[CRNDLSM]

Did I fix the title? I can put it back

[rowens]

How does it seem?

[CRNDLSM]

(understanding is)/(as a positive hoax) as two separate titles or (understanding is a positive hoax)/(understanding as a positive hoax).  It seemed you said the 'i' as I understood it was a typo that you couldn't control, so did I fix the title by making it as you intended, or did I ruin the title because the frustration of automation deciding for you was already an improved poem? 

I think the same line with just the word same is pretty good line in relation to the themes and previous similar lines. 

I can't see the last line as prose, since the rest doesn't seem to be prose.  Maybe you could just repeat the first line after the last line

Why linebreaks feel
 F regulating energy

Repeat the cycle more or less

[rowens]

I deleted the typos before I posted anything.

But they were there.

Now, linebreaks feel like something. Or maybe they don't.

I was just wondering if you, and others, feel linebreaks. When your eyes are going down a poem.

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And do they have a feeling?

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Some things I can't control. Then I do what I'm not to?

Does that happen to you?

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For instance, that second to last question mark. (In the response above.)

I tend to use question marks as little as possible. I don't like them. They seem, to me, to be in the way of something.

[TranquillityBase]

The first four lines leave me cold.  I think the poem really starts ginning at l. 5.

When we make a line break with a keyboard, we hit Return, and it's so easy to do, and we are returning to the beginning.  

But if we were writing with a pen, it would feel more like a break than a return.  More thought has to go into it.  At least that's how I imagine line breaks feel.

[rowens]

The regulating energy is what you do. Or what is done. Doing. The flowing of things into patterns. Society-culture patterns things. I pattern things. You pattern things. You is a patterning, patternings, pulses, changes. The energy doesn't pattern, isn't content, nobody wants to be happy, but happy/not happy, and so on.

Cold/warm. Bad/good/indifferent/other.

Everybody already knows these things, and forgets/knows/doesn't.

[Mark A Becker]

Hey Rowens-

I really like the way Tim descibed it when he wrote, "When we make a line break with a keyboard, we hit Return..."

When we write poetry, we write verse, and verse comes from the Latin "versare", meaning "to turn" (like hitting "RETURN" or "ENTER" on a keyboard.

The poet chooses where to turn a line, unlike the old typewriters that would just flip to the next line when you hit the margin. And the turn of the line, I think, can create a powerful effect with language. I wish I was much, much better at picking where to turn a line...

Just my usual 2 cents,
Mark

[rowens]

I was getting at how the linebreaks feel, in you, in me, as we read. Is it the same or different?
When you're reading, how, what sensation, is a linebreak?
Do you get a little feeling in your Head/Mind? Heart, Nerves, Lungs, Loins; Spirit?

Who is Tim?

Are we all so intimate here, and I don't know?

[CRNDLSM]

Maybe instead of 'why linebreaks feel' the question would be better registered in readers with 'how linebreaks feel'

[rowens]

That would imply they feel. We, or I, haven't got that far, yet.

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I could put: Why, line breaks feel. That would be a statement.

And in answer to your question, I'm not making a statement.

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There's no big reason why feeling bad should feel worse than feeling good. Vibrating of nerves. Conceptualizing those things is what the tones and colors are. 'Feeling-tones'.


Land and lore is our experience. Concepts, still. But richer than the concepts of time and space and space-time. I say so.

Poetry relies on traps.

[Mark A Becker]

Ah yes, the traps, or as one my favorites, former US poet laureate, Stanley Kunitz put it, “all poets are liars.”

Just as we all have names, and mine is clearly stated: Tim is aka “Tranquility Base”

While I may be lying about his name, I am pretty sure of mine. In fact, it may be the only thing I truly own ( though there is many a Mark Becker out there, I do look slightly different.)

Yours truly,
Mark A Becker

ps. Who are you “rowens”? Richard Owens? Rodney Owens? Robert Owens? Roger Owens? Guess it doesn’t matter...

[rowens]

A name, a trap?






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