Euthanasia

[billy]

should it be allowed. when should the plug be pulled
if so when. and under what conditions.
for me it should be allowed but only when hope
of some kind of life exists.

[Benny2guns]

Thats a tough one billy. For the most part the only reason it is not allowed is for religious reasons, at least that is the way i see it. Seems the RC faith has said it's ither murder or suicide. Both of which are also illegal but i have never heard of a successfull suicide being brought to trial. If we remove religon from the equasion(and i do not see why not as it has allready been removed from almost everything else) then the answere becomes a little more clear.
Keeping someone alive, hooked up to a machine, in the kind of pain that people can only attempt to relate to but never will unless put into the same circumstance is not by any stretch a humanitarian act. It is an act of extreme torture and needs reservation for the worst of the worst in our society.
The other reason is that people just can not bear the thought of letting a loved one go, the pain(emotionial) is just too much for them to bear.
They however are only thinking of themselves with the most basic humain flaw of selfishness.
If a person is at the end...their life has no meaning but to endure hour upon hour of unendurable pain or the person is in fact brain dead already then it should be either automatic or left to the person in question to decide.
Either way this pirate will not suffer at the end i can promise me that.

[billy]

i agree. I doubt i'd be able to stand by and see a loved one in a state of vegetation, or a pain that couldn't be alleviated. i'd have to pull the plug or od them on morphine.

[addy]

In cases where my loved one is wasting away, without hope of a cure and in agonizing pain, and without even being able to function without drugs and machines... I'd have to end it. I think I should be allowed in that case. There should be some very strict provisions, though.

[billy]

what happens when relatives, brothers or sisters say it not right or fair.
personally i'd ignore them but sometimes i don't think it would be that easy. specially if they had a god they believed in.

[srijantje]

Thats a tough one billy. For the most part the only reason it is not allowed is for religious reasons, at least that is the way i see it. Seems the RC faith has said it's ither murder or suicide. Both of which are also illegal but i have never heard of a successfull suicide being brought to trial. If we remove religon from the equasion(and i do not see why not as it has allready been removed from almost everything else) then the answere becomes a little more clear.
Keeping someone alive, hooked up to a machine, in the kind of pain that people can only attempt to relate to but never will unless put into the same circumstance is not by any stretch a humanitarian act. It is an act of extreme torture and needs reservation for the worst of the worst in our society.
The other reason is that people just can not bear the thought of letting a loved one go, the pain(emotionial) is just too much for them to bear.
They however are only thinking of themselves with the most basic humain flaw of selfishness.
If a person is at the end...their life has no meaning but to endure hour upon hour of unendurable pain or the person is in fact brain dead already then it should be either automatic or left to the person in question to decide.
Either way this pirate will not suffer at the end i can promise me that.

amen to that and, as we dutch say,religion belongs in the church

[Benny2guns]

The part that amuses me the most is where in hell do these people get the idea that they have or should have a say at all. It's not their decission to make, it's not their life to live or to end. Put these same do gooders in a position where by they can't take a breath without fire.
Assholes will soon eat the barrel of the first gun they come accross or beg for it.
Sorry for the language but there are no other words to describe my contempt for stupidity.

[addy]

The typical argument against euthanasia is that life is sacred. Well to me if you want to protect a person's soul (or whatever philosophical equivalent thereof), what you should be protecting is their humanity and dignity.

I've lost the source, but I read an account of a man suffering what must have been brain cancer in the 1700's (can't be sure of the date). With suicide being illegal, the man lived in screaming pain for two years. His family had to die him down because he kept trying to dig out his own eyes just to stop the pain in his head. That story chills me up to now. There's nothing "sacred" about something like that.

[billy]

i'm pretty sure i'd be able to pull the plug,
what if they leave a living will that specifically
asks for their loved ones not to pull the metaphorical plug.

[Benny2guns]

You know that that is a real possibility unfortunatly. These types of wills are generally written long before the fact. Leaves one to wonder if the mind of the writer has not been changed when faced with hell (so to speak) on earth.
As for the brain dead person, well they are brain dead and aside from being inhumain it's a burden on the health care system that needs to be removed. The money needs to go to someone with a chance at a good life.
This is all neither here nor there. As long as there are religous freaks out there that continue the fairy tale nothing will change. We as a species think ourselves special and above...no better than all others. We are so special in fact that we have concocted this idea that a part of us never dies. That cocktail in fact was mixed for the dying and the left behind. In my opinion it's a crock which makes the choices so damn easy it's to be laughed at.
Life is great as long as it is good. As long as one is productive.
I can't see either in the afore mentioned circumstance.
Will? No way unless that person is awake and telling you to your face to shove that needle up you A**!!

[billy]

here i the philippines
religion is a really big thing. many would
sooner let their loved ones suffer
than offend their god. the church here plays a
really big role in politics.

[billy]

give us something to work with bob it's the serious discussion
why yes?

[billy]

thanks for the reply.

the reason i ask dis this.
someone says yes, the other says no and serious discussion is over

i'm of the same mind as you i think all here are. once we get a larger member base
the discussions may get interesting.

from that stand point i'll play the oppositional viewpoint.

but what happens if just before becoming comatose or to delirious from the pain the loved one said don't let them pull the plug at any cost?
whatever you do son, husband, mother etc, whatever you do don't let them switch me off.

i think it's something i'd say and want,

[billy]

So curing planetary overpopulation by driving the youth in Asia into large, purpose built, windowless shower rooms,
and tossing Cyclone B pesticide canisters in through the ceiling air vents is out of the question then?

i think there's a slight difference between euthanasia and youth in asia;

attempt to stay on topic

[billy]

so what's your thoughts on the non youth in Asia subject?
you for against or fencing.

[srijantje]

forced euthanasia?where have i heard that before?

[billy]

do you think it acceptable?
personally i think euthanasia is something different.
something singular. something not done to ease a social problem.

[billy]

How about this:

Grandpa is in great pain. Can you put him to sleep?
The fact that he put me in his will, and I'll inherit his house, has nothing to do with it.

if it was someone whose well being
was in my care, i'd doubt i'd listen to someone who stood to gain from the death. if the loved one asked me to pull the plug, i would
if a relative who stood to gain asked, i probably wouldn't, unless i was going to do so anyway.

[srijantje]

do you think it acceptable?
personally i think euthanasia is something different.
something singular. something not done to ease a social problem.

you're absolutely right Bill,done to ease a social problem it's called mass murder or crime against humanity.we still have to do something against over population though

[Benny2guns]

On new years day, in Oslo, Norway, an old lady in her 60s fell ill, and phoned emergency.
An ambulance showed up in front of her apartment building, but so did several of her relatives.
The relatives prevented the ambulance medics from entering the building.
The police was called.
The old lady's relatives called other family members for reinforcements.
A street battle ensued in front of the apartment building between police and the old lady's relatives.
The old lady died before the medics could get to her.

Sounds like manslaughter to me. What does it have to do with the thread topic if you do not mind me asking?