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Billy, there is something faintly comical about Mr Murdoch's stable describing anyone as ''Baffled, bumbling, clueless'' let alone '' incurious'' and bewildered. Do you recall the testimony of les Murdochs before the Parliamentary Committee? The things they did not recall, the things they had never asked about? And do you recall James' lecture about the importance of dismantling the BBC? Such people are the lowest of the low-- Fox News is their mark, lucky Americans. I'm not surprised they thought they might have a swipe at parliament as well. Do you suppose any one of them gives tuppence for the victims? No. Just an opportunity to blunder on with their own agenda. Ugh. 
Next to that was a column by a former Today programme editor, Rod Liddle, headlined "Liar, liar, Aunt's on fire".
By contrast, The Sun's Wapping partner, The Times, was altogether more sympathetic in its editorial by recognising that Entwistle was subjected to "the worst kind of grandstanding" by MPs.
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i do agree with you, but that doesn't take into account the need for any knew boss to be up to speed on a firms problems even before they start the job, this guy probably knew he'd have the job months before he got it. if not, the first thing he'd do when getting into his office is ask. what do i need to know? what's not working? what could cause me and the company harm? these are fundamentals. that he allowed an investigatory episode featuring such a high profile to be pulled so easily bears looking into, that he had no clue as to any allegations bears looking into. the grounds that were given were shaky at best. that so many high level journalists complained needs looking into. that so many people have resigned needs looking into. he took the job, he should have been on top of things from the go. did he report to anyone anyone? about the savile investigation, something he really did know about. he said he knew about it and perhaps could have dealt with it in a different way. mps are twats at the best of times. at times like this thier behaviour is unbelievable.
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His tombstone's been removed for fear of vandalism and there's now talk of demolishing his holiday cottage. I personally think they should be left standing so the public can have fun pissing and spitting on them. Bring a picnic, make a day of it.
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it's pointless, the guys dead. i could accept digging his body up and doing things to it but to hate to such an extent can't be good. one mp one who was outed has now been shown to be innocent. i think savile was guilty but thinking isn't the same as knowing. i'd say wait for an outcome then pull the cottage down. simply because it wouldn't be fair to those who live nearby for that kind of thing to happen. vandals tend to paint shite in broad strokes.
i have noticed the hierarchy has started to fall like a cliched house of cards.
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(11-14-2012, 12:01 PM)billy Wrote: i'd say wait for an outcome then pull the cottage down. simply because it wouldn't be fair to those who live nearby for that kind of thing to happen.
I hadn't thought of that  You're right, it would just be impotent rage, but at the same time I don't like the idea of all this dying down after the media blitz and then never being mentioned again. If he is guilty he doesn't deserve oblivion, even if he is just a name and a memory.
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if found guilty in absentia he will be more infamous than never mentioned again. whenever this sort of thing rears it's head his name will always be used. if guilty he will be the charles manson of child abuse.
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(11-14-2012, 12:17 PM)billy Wrote: the charles manson of child abuse.
That's not something you'd want to be remembered as 
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it seems some 80 year old bishop has been arrested for the same thing.
a bishop bashing the bishop...wh'd a thunk it.
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(11-14-2012, 06:12 PM)billy Wrote: it seems some 80 year old bishop has been arrested for the same thing.
a bishop bashing the bishop...wh'd a thunk it.
It is a sad thing. In fairness, the case resulted from investigations into the Chichester diocese, by the Church of England, handed over to the police.
Do you not find the gleeful attacks on the BBC galling? There is hysteria all round, but it now seems arguable that, whatever the guy's own reasoning, the initial decision not to go ahead with the Saville Newsnight seems to have been on the money: double-check, and make sure your story stands up.
There is another aspect not once mentioned in all the noise.
The abused man who changed his story, it is said, could have easily prevented the second, defamatory, story going ahead, if only someone had shown him a photo of the man named. Maybe so. But consider this scenario. Imagine the Beeb had shown him a photo of the innocent man, and, for whatever reason, he had confirmed that that was the man. Later, the innocent man sues, and his barrister puts it to this character, that the Beeb had shown him the photo. I think it would have taken minutes to make a jury believe, with this man's already unreliable back-ground as an informant, that he had never seen the man until he saw the photo --and any identification afterwards would be worthless. There are any number of institutions, and people who cock- up big time on a regular basis, with scarcely any repercussions. Yet the BBC does once, possibly twice, and it is to be ripped apart. Hysteria, and score-settling.
Do you notice how little coverage is given to the plight of these kids? Who cares about that when you can get your own back on the best investigative programme we have ever had?
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11-15-2012, 12:08 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-16-2012, 08:37 AM by billy.)
here's my take as far as the bbc go. the expose on savile wasn't too bad, but should have had more substance, though a lot of the victims tell of the same story and describe how it happened in a similar way, it could/should have had more depth. the 2nd program where an innocent man was charged was ludicrous, i think some heads should roll but not all the heads. i don't think what happened at the beeb is the same as the news of the world fiasco. it happened decades ago. i do think the new boss wasn't up to par and he should have been. but the beeb is taking a much bigger hit than it should.
savile if found guilty is the nasty bastard in all this. people who turned a blind eye may also hold some guilt. but to run the beeb into the ground because of airing or not airing a show is again ludicrous. newsnight has done similar things in the past. but witch hunting the beeb wasn't the flavour of the month.
you mentioned in an earlier post about victims coming out of the woodwork. and to an extent you were proven correct. that said it really was terrible pitchfork journalism. while the guy may have been a victim, proper journalistic protocols were not carried out, they're the people who shouldn't be allowed to simply resign, they should be sacked.
there are definitely innocent workers who will lose their jobs over this and wrongly so.
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(11-15-2012, 12:08 PM)billy Wrote: here's my take as far as the bbc go. the expose on savile wasn't too bad, but should have had more substance, though a lot of the victims tell of the same story and describe how it happened in a similar way, it could/should have had more depth. the 2nd program where an innocent man was charged was ludicrous, i think some heads should roll but not all the heads. i don't think what happened at the beeb is the same as the news of the world fiasco. it happened decades ago. i do think the new boss wasn't up to par and he should have been. but the beeb is taking a much bigger hit than it should.
savile if found guilty is the nasty bastard in all this. people who turned a blind eye may also hold some guilt. but to run the beeb into the ground because of airing or not airing a show is again ludicrous. newsnight has done similar things in the past. but witch hunting the beeb wasn't the flavour of the month.
you mentioned in an earlier post about victims coming out of the woodwork. and to an extent you were proven correct. that said it really was terrible pitchfork journalism. while the guy may have been a victim, proper journalistic protocols were not carried out, they're the people who shouldn't be allowed to simply resign, they should be sacked.
there are definitely innocent workers who will lose their jobs over this and wrongly so.
I pretty well agree. I was interested to see Paxo say that the Beeb had gone wrong, after it weakly bent the knee after the Hutton report. I remember thinking at the time that it was all wrong.
The hysteria following Newsnight Mark One, meant that everyone of any seniority had been put aside or stood aside, and that Newsnight Mark Two was produced by virtual amateurs. One other aspect is that the BBC has been required to cut back staff numbers to a huge extent, and many of these fell in the News area. It is not so surprising that mistakes will creep in.
As for a non-investigating Newsnight, that is a nonsense--it is at its worst when just repeating the news. Yadayada 
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(11-16-2012, 11:44 PM)Luna C. Moon Wrote: God. How did no one notice - he had 'vile' in his name. Tsk. Oh and a personality that made your flesh crawl.
I think the whole busniness reeks of covered guilt of those yet to be mentioned. On second thoughts make that 'those who are to powerful to ever be mentioned'.
Why did have a key to the morgue? The morgue!?
Why did everyone at the time appear to know, but say nothing?
Anything to do with his regular visits to Downing Street?
I just hope this will lead to a more aware society. There is nothing more revolting than this kind of human behaviour, we need to bring it all out into the open.
Just a quick afterthought, if I were one of the guilty, or someone who cared about them, I would be busy paying women with dubious personal histories to 'speak out' at this stage so that I could later 'expose their lies'. Some of those speaking out seem insincere to me.
Sorry if this post is erractic. This is all rather triggering for me on several levels.
Do you mean the morgue, Luna? There is much to be explained about his getting to be a member of, or led, a task force at Broadmoor. That is crazy. I suppose the room at Stoke Mandeville seemed reasonable at the time, as he was raising mountains of cash. Now, it seems plain stupid. But that is hindsight.
I am baffled by the number of people who have come forward--450 at the last count. Is it really possible that they either said nothing or were not listened to --by anyone? And was everyone around so churlish that they bowed to the great man? He was only a bloody DJ, after all. 
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