The idea is a person who is interested in being mentored would post a poem and 1 individual from the site would mentor them all the way through the revision process.

(note, please only vote yes if you believe that you personally would participate.

i would like to but am not sure i'm a good enough poet to be mentoring on a one to one basis.
plus and this is a biggy....i can't commit the time i suspect is needed for such an endeavour.

I don't believe I would participate in "the mentoring", I'm far away from knowing the in's and out's of poetry.
But, I do see this as a good idea. Would the finished effort be transferred for public critique when finished or adapted
through critique from infancy by the mentor alone?

(07-29-2013, 01:43 PM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote:  I don't believe I would participate in "the mentoring", I'm far away from knowing the in's and out's of poetry.
But, I do see this as a good idea. Would the finished effort be transferred for public critique when finished or adapted
through critique from infancy by the mentor alone?

That is exactly the idea

(07-29-2013, 01:45 PM)milo Wrote:  

(07-29-2013, 01:43 PM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote:  I don't believe I would participate in "the mentoring", I'm far away from knowing the in's and out's of poetry.
But, I do see this as a good idea. Would the finished effort be transferred for public critique when finished or adapted
through critique from infancy by the mentor alone?

That is exactly the idea

Got it. I think when there is a lack of poets seeking mentoring, that the tear down of a bad poem and explanation to why the poem is bad could be a great mentoring to all poets.

I could contribute a pretty shitty mess to help with that endeavor.

the idea i think is to put a best effort forward and have someone (hopefully more advanced in the craft) help the person who posted the poem to see how and where they could improve as well as other thing. i've decided to change my vote, i'm presuming the poem doesn't have to be done in a day and the mentoring can possibly take a week or even more, in which case i'm prepared to try it out for at least one full session or so.

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so my vote is a yes to this one

Not sure if the actual poll question is confusing. Is it would you be prepared to mentor someone or would you like to be mentored? ...or equally both (as i read it)

I voted yes (but feel I would struggle to offer much beyond what i already am able to offer in the critique boards), but I like the idea. I would love to be mentored by someone with better skills than me, but wanted to also mention that i would not mind if the person doing the mentoring was on a similar level to me on some occassions as the different view point can sometimes yield a stimulating and mutually challengeing harvest of thoughts and ideas. (A sort of joint student study project that could perhaps then be just overseen by a mentor...if we were short of candidates with enough time for full on mentoring. Just an idea).

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Ok just seen the other poll about collaborative workshopping.
sort of what i was suggesting above I suppose, but was more thinking that there would still be a teacher to mark the assingment after a set period.

I voted no, simply because it seems like a lot of time and work to impose on two people to do something which is more fun as a group activity anyway. Also, I can't speak for everyone, but I'm not a qualified teacher and have no (or at least very little) experience of teaching anyone anything. This is, after all, an amateur poetry site, where hobbyists meet to share, discuss and critique their creations, or at least that's how I see it, so a mentoring system sounds very rigid and institutional, like this is a school. This is all JMHO, of course.
That said, if someone is interested in being mentored and another person wants to mentor them, I see no problem at all with that.

Yes, I added a footnote to my original comment just before or after you replied, it seems I voted no just because it's not something which I personally would want to be involved in, because I prefer a wide array of opinions, group discussion and a more relaxed approach. But if anyone else wants to try it that's more than okay with me.

(07-30-2013, 10:38 AM)Heslopian Wrote:  I voted no, simply because it seems like a lot of time and work to impose on two people to do something which is more fun as a group activity anyway. Also, I can't speak for everyone, but I'm not a qualified teacher and have no (or at least very little) experience of teaching anyone anything. This is, after all, an amateur poetry site, where hobbyists meet to share, discuss and critique their creations, or at least that's how I see it, so a mentoring system sounds very rigid and institutional, like this is a school. This is all JMHO, of course.
That said, if someone is interested in being mentored and another person wants to mentor them, I see no problem at all with that.

yes, the mentoring idea seems the least popular. I am not even sure it would be possible to recreate here, as they do have a certain rigid discipline over there. One thing I do know is that sites succeed when they get an active involved member base that participates in more than just posting poems and comments. Sites fail when they lock members into that. People thrive on interaction. I want this site to succeed so I am willing to explore avenues that force some of our peripheral members to take some ownership of the site.

(07-30-2013, 10:38 AM)Heslopian Wrote:  I voted no, simply because it seems like a lot of time and work to impose on two people to do something which is more fun as a group activity anyway. Also, I can't speak for everyone, but I'm not a qualified teacher and have no (or at least very little) experience of teaching anyone anything. This is, after all, an amateur poetry site, where hobbyists meet to share, discuss and critique their creations, or at least that's how I see it, so a mentoring system sounds very rigid and institutional, like this is a school. This is all JMHO, of course.
That said, if someone is interested in being mentored and another person wants to mentor them, I see no problem at all with that.

personally i'm not sure it's about being a teach as much as it is about being a helper. doing one to one what we do in the serious workshop, be it putting a poem up or giving feedback. what i think could be good about it is the open process that would actually help others with giving critique.

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(07-30-2013, 10:44 AM)milo Wrote:  

(07-30-2013, 10:38 AM)Heslopian Wrote:  I voted no, simply because it seems like a lot of time and work to impose on two people to do something which is more fun as a group activity anyway. Also, I can't speak for everyone, but I'm not a qualified teacher and have no (or at least very little) experience of teaching anyone anything. This is, after all, an amateur poetry site, where hobbyists meet to share, discuss and critique their creations, or at least that's how I see it, so a mentoring system sounds very rigid and institutional, like this is a school. This is all JMHO, of course.
That said, if someone is interested in being mentored and another person wants to mentor them, I see no problem at all with that.

yes, the mentoring idea seems the least popular. I am not even sure it would be possible to recreate here, as they do have a certain rigid discipline over there. One thing I do know is that sites succeed when they get an active involved member base that participates in more than just posting poems and comments. Sites fail when they lock members into that. People thrive on interaction. I want this site to succeed so I am willing to explore avenues that force some of our peripheral members to take some ownership of the site.

i've already been talked into it mlio. i say set up a mentoring thread.
after breakfast i'll sort out some prefix's out. so that a mentoring thread starts with Mentoring: i'll take part on either side of the fence. i'd suggest you do a dry run, i'll help if it helps set the ball rolling. if you put the rules up in a sticky in the milo thread i'll start it off. the time for action is upon us

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(07-30-2013, 10:31 AM)trueenigma Wrote:  

(07-29-2013, 01:42 PM)billy Wrote:  i would like to but am not sure i'm a good enough poet to be mentoring on a one to one basis.
plus and this is a biggy....i can't commit the time i suspect is needed for such an endeavour.

C'mon billy, we all have our strengths, you've mentored me through a haiku or two. Why not mentor those working on the haiku?

you can't really mentor a haiku.
it's three lines long though i wouldn't dismiss it out of hand

I said no. I got sick of the buddy system in kindergarten.

(07-31-2013, 07:41 AM)newsclippings Wrote:  I said no. I got sick of the buddy system in kindergarten.

I loved the buddy system in kindergarten!! (I got paired up with a cute girl) ahh, Deborah Bauer, you wore the cutest pig tails.

i've kicked off a mentoring thread. any chance of a separate post with some rules please milo?

(07-31-2013, 09:54 AM)billy Wrote:  i've kicked off a mentoring thread. any cance of a seperate post with some rules please milo?

yah, I am at work n ow and my boss is sitting over my shoulder so i will wait until he goes home . . .

okay

(07-31-2013, 08:09 AM)milo Wrote:  

(07-31-2013, 07:41 AM)newsclippings Wrote:  I said no. I got sick of the buddy system in kindergarten.

I loved the buddy system in kindergarten!! (I got paired up with a cute girl) ahh, Deborah Bauer, you wore the cutest pig tails.

I had an old substitute teacher in high school who would often mistake my name for Deborah. I just let it slide for three months.

i'm doing it because i want to see the mechanics of it. at present there's no strain on me to achieve greatness so i'm not overpowered by instructions. it seems to be okay so far and the interaction is a lot less tense.

same here, i'm hoping to get some pointers from milo.
and i too would have a go at the mentoring side.
i do hope he'll get some time to sticky a thread on what the criteria are.

i think the idea is someone asks someone responds. i see no problem in someone asking another member in pm, though where's the fun in that