What. I... I don't actually know.

Well, I said that first part because... I actually don't know. I'm just as confused as you are. I think... I think it had something to do with you saying religious people didn't like equality. But I don't know.

But I wouldn't say that living in poverty makes people more religious. It can, but sometimes it'll turn them apathetic. I've seen both, and more frequently the latter.

But seriously, consider those posts as being written by a drunk man.

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And yeah, that point makes sense. I'd just appreciate it if you wouldn't make any more jokes like that. That's really it. Being tired, hyper-attentive, and upset does not help me think.

understood and done

(01-21-2013, 02:07 PM)Yelleryella123 Wrote:  I didn't realize while writing this that you were being serious.

And when I said something about a rant coming on, I meant from me. I wanted to rant. I'd rather be seen as a raving madman than let them tranquilize me again.

(01-21-2013, 02:03 PM)rowens Wrote:  In what sense? I'm trying to clear up this sarcasm angle before I have to leave.

And if you mean what's wrong with me. Well, that's why I want to talk about sanity.

No sarcasm. I try to avoid using sarcasm on forums, unless it is very obvious. It's not always then easiest thing to get across on boards.

Well even when I'm making a joke, I usually sound serious. And I usually am. If only to inspire someone to keep talking about what I want to hear.

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(01-22-2013, 03:22 AM)Jagger Cyde Wrote:  No sarcasm. I try to avoid using sarcasm on forums, unless it is very obvious. It's not always then easiest thing to get across on boards.

No. I'd upset somebody, because they thought I was being sarcastic. And I was in a rush, had to leave, and wanted to make sure we were on the same page before I left.

(01-22-2013, 03:26 AM)rowens Wrote:  Well even when I'm making a joke, I usually sound serious. And I usually am. If only to inspire someone to keep talking about what I want to hear.

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(01-22-2013, 03:22 AM)Jagger Cyde Wrote:  No sarcasm. I try to avoid using sarcasm on forums, unless it is very obvious. It's not always then easiest thing to get across on boards.

No. I'd upset somebody, because they thought I was being sarcastic. And I was in a rush, had to leave, and wanted to make sure we were on the same page before I left.

Oh, I understand. Seems most problems in life are caused by misinterpretation

(01-22-2013, 12:04 AM)rowens Wrote:  My only friends are mentally ill people. Everyone has problems. But some just cling to comfort, the comfort of luxury or groups or ignorance. Yet my friends, not wanting to take prescription drugs, ....................................................................................................... Men are fickle, weak, and easily molded. But you can find your own self... chase your own soul. And discover how easily you're tempted, and know exactly what you're fighting.

- The acceptance that comes from the commonality of a mental illness..To be able to relate to another being is a human need but I think it could exasperate the problem in an individual when they feel so alienated that they think they need a mental illness to be able to relate and be taken care of. It seems like some people want to be mentally ill and thrive off of it. I'm in line with what you have said and I have had similar experiences.
I'm going on a little rant now.
I am interested in eating disorders (because I used to have one). I don't agree with treatment where people are put into a facility with others with the same problem or worse. I understand the benefits of this, connection, relation, support. But more often than not from the examples I have seen it looks like everyone is 'feeding' off of each other. Rebelling in secret teams against the care takers who take their control away because food is about control for them and if you take that away, they will find other ways to be in control. There is a social hierarchy and there is always a leader of the group mentality. In these groups the leader seems to be the one who rebels the most and gets away with it. The one who can sneak you cigs and show you the tricks - How is that productive? Why isn't there mindfulness training and separation of living quarters. These people need to see into their behavior outside of their dependance on group acceptance and they need to be able to regain some control over themselves - not have their power completely stripped away. Mindfulness is what worked for me.. Nobody could fix me - I had to make the choice to fix myself. If you don't want to be mentally ill I think the best way to get out of it is through serious introspection and surrounding yourself with open authentic people - hard to find but I found the more authentic I am the more authentic people are around me. And as you said, everyone has problems. Some people numb it, some people fix it and some people are proud of it. A perceived mental illness doesn't have to mean your mind is broken. You are as unique as a snowflake as corny as that sounds. It's all about perspective. If you are around people with a damaging perspective - remove yourself.

The most intelligent and decent person will throw all their beliefs and all their dreams away, the moment the group mentality sets in. I know, I feel myself tempted into the comfort of group thinking. And it happens before you even realize it.

I used to be a socialite - admittedly I depended on others approval for my own happiness. (I don't know if it is possible to completely transcend it.) Once I realized this I became removed and depressed. I thought it was wrong to stop "doing" and spend time alone as a recluse - that seems to be what our culture teaches us. Then I began to think being a recluse was the way to be and I didn't need anyone/I am better than people. As that depression lifted from my ego being rubbed out of feeling superior to society - the depression came right back and hit me in the face harder than before when I realized that is exactly the attitude that is destroying the world and my mental status - superiority, separation and fanaticism. It took me being an arrogant ignorant stubborn victimizing fool to realize there is another choice outside of following group mentality or burrowing into a hole of seclusion. Independent development, social authenticity and taking everything with a grain of salt. I think that might just be the key to changing the world. People need to figure out what they are though. If they are products of people around them or they are independent.

So like the Jewish philosopher, Groucho Marx, said: "Whatever it is... I'm against it!"

Talk of religion is going on here, too. When Christ said: "I bring not peace, but a sword..." that whole part of his speech is important to the fact that people are easily and subtly influenced. "You think I've come to bring peace. But I say, I've come to divide..." Great stuff he said. Men are fickle, weak, and easily molded. But you can find your own self... chase your own soul. And discover how easily you're tempted, and know exactly what you're fighting.

I love everything you wrote here. Although I don't agree with Marx. Explore it. Understand it. Change it. Fix it. Accept it. Add to it, take away from it. Grow from it. Don't close yourself off from any thing until you've given it a fair chance - but go about everything with journalistic objectivity and create your own philosophies.

groucho or karl? big difference

(01-22-2013, 12:11 PM)doolasmind#11 Wrote:  groucho or karl? big difference

I thought they were talking about Harpo Marx, the Pol Pot of comedy.

(01-22-2013, 12:15 PM)Todd Wrote:  

(01-22-2013, 12:11 PM)doolasmind#11 Wrote:  groucho or karl? big difference

I thought they were talking about Harpo Marx, the Pol Pot of comedy.

haha never heard of him but i have def heard of Pol Pot... even though i have the entire knowledge of mankind at my fingertips i'd rather hear you explain than "google it".... that shit is so annoying as well if i can rant the fact that when you try to have a conversation when someone and theyy immediately say hold up let me google it... what the hell happened to being well rounded?

[youtube]4v3etuIw-aM[/youtube]

Harpo was the Marx Brother who didn't say anything. He wore a wig. He used a horn. If I'm being fair he may have been his generations funny version of Carrot Top. Though, I don't often waste my time with fair.

I'm getting kicked out again. You people need to all wake up at the same time, so everyone's here.

we are all here just not all of us are present.

(01-22-2013, 12:29 PM)doolasmind#11 Wrote:  we are all here just not all of us are present.

Exactly. Presence is a practice.

(01-22-2013, 12:32 PM)Yelleryella123 Wrote:  

(01-22-2013, 12:29 PM)doolasmind#11 Wrote:  we are all here just not all of us are present.

Exactly. Presence is a practice.

only to those who are willing to put in the effort

i'm here but my heart belongs with dirty women

(01-22-2013, 12:23 PM)rowens Wrote:  [youtube]4v3etuIw-aM[/youtube]

Well I certainly read groucho out of context

(01-22-2013, 01:53 PM)Yelleryella123 Wrote:  Well I certainly read groucho out of context

You get more than one context to choose from when it's a double entendre.

Learning is important, and I'll always be learning things whether I try to or not, and the things I know and have learned are still there.

But some mornings, many mornings, I wake up, and imagine I've just arrived on an alien planet, and nothing I've known before matters.

I just throw away all the wise sayings and all the laws and rules about what's real and what's to be done and what's not to be done. And I only follow my own conscience. And morality and that sort of thing starts to arise like instinct, from my race memories of the fabricated society I was in the day before. And I work from that. And I have a deep instinctual need to be moral and decent to people that need help. I mean, I push it all back, into unconsciousness, and let it seep out naturally.

The fact is, I'm conscious of a lot of the normally unconscious causes of my problems. That's why I can control them. And I can try to replace them with more positive symptoms.

Yet I have to snap out of my alien world, and abide by the fabricated society if I want to be with people. And I have to react like people do, to what people say and do. I have to be emotional, and I am. I'm an alien; then I explode back into being a man. And men and women are, by their natures, emotional idiots. Even if it's through showing lack of emotions.

I am an emotional idiot.

But if I wasn't, I wouldn't be human.