What's A Poem For?
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While I am not the lord of irony nor the prince of satire,
my writing hand imbibes in these most judicious manners.
I practice these languages by layering semi-serious self-
promotion upon the backside of the romantic, amorously
excited fool that I am--

my propensity.

By doing this I have a good end in view-- as I watched my
maid this very morning walk up the stairs dressed only in
a white bonnet and ribbons of springtime colors. So here
I am announcing what prose forms lie at the center of my
writing interest in poetry, persuaded by the memory of a
twitching rump.

If Dr. Johnson said to David Garrick upon retreating from
backstage to the wings, "I shall come no more back, David,
for the white bosoms of your actresses excite my amorous
propensities," I, Roy Hobbs, will maintain his position at
the bottom of those stairs mentioned appreciating my maid
for the very purpose of exciting the amorous propensities
of my satire and irony.

We often excite our own and the amorous propensities of
others by our poetry or by our prose. It is as if we have
remembered the reason for poetry in the first place-- to
excite amorous propensities,

to address the coy, to persuade the virgin, to encourage
love-- to capture a boy's love for the sea, a woman's love
for her child, a man's love for his homeland, for his 40
acres north of Cumberland, for God, for an Irish cottage.
Keats's love in a hut.

These amorous propropensites never allow themselves to be
forgotten long. We have poetry in these simple channels of
field and forest, limbs and lung, loins and heart, plow and
fire, bed and bread.

Amorous propensity-- a girl's bones, muscles and fat uphol-
tered in the most wondrous skin of a hue meant for angel
lips, ascending stairs--Elizabeth Taylor, Reflections In
A Golden Eye
; Clytemnestra loved by a boy to play out
the Curse on the House of Pelops; The 10,000 ships. Amorous
propensities. Love. Bathsheba, Rachel and Ruth. The inclina-
tion, the tilt, the propensity.

What's a poem for?

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Hello Roy, have to begin with your last line, well I reckon the poem is exactly for what you've written, you have a irreverent sensual style which is beautiful to behold, may those wonderful twitching parts twitch everlastingly for the appreciative enjoyment of mankind! Cheers! Big Grin
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(03-25-2012, 08:53 AM)Roy Hobbs Wrote:  What's a poem for?
Breakfast Big Grin

And yes; poetry is the essence of the human. Even a poem about a landscape is filtered through the observations of the human mind. It saddens me no end when I hear people dismiss humour, absurdity, the quirky and the queer as "unpoetic". What would humanity be without the propensity to laugh at the world?

... and there's nothing funnier than watching a poet try to get laid through verse!
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#4
you're right there sister Smile

fr me it's a way of releasing,
though of what, i'm not sure.
all i know is when i write
be it rubbish or bright
i enjoy the end product
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#5
I doubt that the first poems were love poems. More probable, is that they were family or clan histories, recording the places they had been, the battles fought, and who begat whom. To chant or sing that, the idea of meter and rhyme would have helped, and still does to this day in some parts of the world. I believe that this form was also useful for transmitting from generation to generation, such knowledge or science as they knew.

Sappho's lyrics were so-called because they were accompanied by the lyre. In time, it was realised you could dispense with the lyre, and fool around with the forms. Of course you had to have something to write about. Love, or in the case of a man leering at his paid-help, lust, being strong and v popular drives, could easily be used to peg a poem on. But the idea that Herrick was in a state of great arousal when encouraging people to gather rose-buds (nudge,nudge) or whether the Bard, whom Leanne so detests, was doing anything more than demonstrate his cleverness, when comparing to a Summer's day, seems, to me, improbable.

Leanne is right to say that poetry is the essence of the human; but I fancy it also incorporates Man's attempts, as much as possible, to abstract himself, by means of concentrating on form etc. So, from the most raw (which I cannot do) to the least. And it's 3-20 am, so if this is garbage...

As for getting laid, stick to Byron, and 'She walks in beauty' Wink
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#6
I don't detest the Bard, I just detest his pedestal -- it is my mission (self-imposed) to keep Willy humble Smile

The abstraction idea is one I absolutely agree with. When writing poetry (if we are thinking about it, not just spewing "feelings" onto a page), we're highly aware of the construction of phrase and meaning, so the external world must first be internalised for the poet to re-externalise it... I know what I mean anyway!

Byron was chasing his sister... and it worked, so I suppose there are worse examples to hold up...
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#7
the walk in beauty is one of my faves, (probably the only sonnet i know all the way through) on it's own, it never got me laid but with a few drinks as accessories i scored a few times with it Blush
i've heard it said it's (poetry) a window to the soul. i think when you read a good poet that it could be possible, when i read some of the stuff less well crafted, they often look like an advertisement.
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#8
nothing quite like being in beauty, walking or any other way!! Big Grin Is today Sunday Fun at The Pen?
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#9
Nice whatever you call it Roy, I enjoyed reading it. For some reason it reminded me of Joseph Andrews. Fanny that!
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"it is my mission (self-imposed) to keep Willy humble"

I really do have the utmost respect for you Leanne, as I think you know, but if I were to take that statement at face value I would have to assign you the characteristic of either extreme pomposity or a fool. Humbling is needed, but it is needed for the Baird Whitlocks of the world (a former English chair, and "supposed Shakespearean expert - after all he had written many long winded papers on the subject, "full of sound and fury signifying nothing"), who tout the Bard without any personal understanding why he should be touted, just more or less as an affectation to appear urbane. Such dullards should be punctured with the sharpest of points. These fellows are generally easy to spot as they praise the dramas and ignore the comedies. The true dilettantes will tell you that Hamlet is the greatest play ever written, when in fact it is one of his worst.
Any true feminist should put the Bard on a pedestal as he most often gave women intellect superior to the lumbering foils who carried their dull wit between their legs.
Or maybe you refer to his..."sonnets". These would more aptly dig a hole than raise a pedestal, although just as there are parts of Hamlet that are genius (as an organic whole it is a wash) so too are there gems here and there in his sonnets, but they hold not an ounce to a pound when compared to the language of Coleridge, or the depth of thought in Blake. So by all means, any fool who would put him on a pedestal for his poems needs it swiftly kicked from under him, and then swiftly kicked. Yet in terms of the plays, there is not a poet who can go up against him one to one in terms of poem to play. Granted, as any true poet knows, these things of truth and beauty that now and then appear are the product of no human's conscious mind, and in that respect Shakespeare the man, was a man as any other, but Shakespeare the body of plays is an example that stands in the company of only a few. So you may joust the pedestal all you wish, a giant has no need for one.
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As this is a for um that allows it, I shall answer the question "What's a poem for?" in rhyme (as it could hardly be called a poem)! If this for um does not allow it, I guess the mods can up my warning level to 100% and consign me to the outer darkness, after all, it is where I am most comfortable! Tongue

Dale

PS Read at your own hazard. If parts of it get stuck in your head like a bad TV commercial song, it is your own fault!
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What for Art Thou Poem?

They learn the style but not the voice,
and so they abrogate their choice,
and wallow in sophomoric pith,
that looks like nothing so much as shit.

But what the judge besides contempt,
must we this baseness not exempt?
Cry to a higher ordered thing,
is this the hand and that the ring?

For gold is one and flesh the other,
a child of one the other mother,
but not each child that sucks the tit,
resembles gold a little bit.

So where’s the judge, the test of time?
Blank verse once, before was rhyme,
vers libre the moderns wrote,
did any god above take note?

Can a god now be the judge,
while in litany humans trudge?
Or is there yet a greater source,
and can we safely ply this course,

and see the reason why some thrive,
while those of less still do contrive,
to value all, as if all were one,
and end the thing before begun?

Most the weeds and less the thyme,
when casting pearls before the swine.
You expected gold when where you dug,
was nothing more than pigs and mud?

For pigs they are who love their mud,
much more so than the sun above,
for light that bright it strips away,
lets truth in thus spoils the day.

So some are better left alone,
we all must for our sins atone.
Yet rely not on the dilettante’s wit,
mistaking gold for worthless shit.

Worthless shit they see as gold,
for it is warm, not hard and cold,
for sentiment is now the king:
circle of shit worn as a ring.

But now to end this diatribe,
the safer course to not decide,
to not offend the cultured swine,
I will not hear the piggies’ whine.

But like a thief I will away,
to come and cut another day,
with flashing monofilament edge,
to trim the nose and shape the hedge.

For subtlety it is the blade,
not to cut the arm or leg,
but take the heart—I’ll be content—
of those who’ve lost their wonderment.


© –Erthona
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?

The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
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Dale, you've just pretty much figured out EXACTLY my thoughts on Shakespeare and Shakespearean dilettantes -- the ones who annoy me the most are those who read a sonnet (any sonnet, of any sonnet form, not just the English) and say such idiotic things as, "Shakespeare would be proud of this", as if using poor dead Bill the Bard's name imbues them with some irreproachable authority. Though it is true that among the seventy two thousand sonnets of exactly the same form and pretty much the same subject matter (ok, 154, but close enough) there are indeed some gems, I do not consider him to be nearly the brilliant sonneteer that the easily impressed but short on knowledge hold him up to be. Having said that, I put his plays in an entirely different category, one almost entirely unparalleled in the history of the English language. (I quite like Hamlet, but it's not particularly profound and I did want to punch Ophelia... not to mention wishing the death scene over many "I'm deads" before it actually happens.) My favourite varies depending on mood, but always hovers between "The Tempest", "As You Like It", "The Taming of the Shrew", "Twelfth Night" and the most beloved "A Midsummer Night's Dream".

NB. This does not mean I consider Shakespeare's sonnets worthless, just that they are only part of a vast body of sonnets that has been contributed to over the centuries by some bloody impressive poets.
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Did you see the movie of the 12th night with Helena Bonham Carter and the bald guy who played Gandhi? I really enjoyed Branagh's "As you like it" but I only got to see it once before it was stolen from the video store. The Tempest is one of the few dramas I like, although technically it is consider a comedy, I suppose because it is not a tragedy. Personally I consider there to be comedies, farces, such as "Much ado" and "A Midsummer Night's Dream". I think I would classify "The Merchant of Venice", as a drama. Then there are the romances. I find it funny that only plays related to specifically the history of England are considered histories, but "Julius Caesar" is not. I did like the thought of Richard Dreyfus attempting to play Richard the II as a gay humpback in "The Goodbye Girl". You named four of my five favorite comedies. For me it's a toss up between "Much Ado", and "A Midsummer Night's Dream". I saw William Wordsworth's great-----grandson play Shylock in Merchant of Venice". He did quite well actually.

Dale
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?

The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
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"What's a poem for?"

Yes, I'll take that last line as well. A wonderfully leading question
since a poem doesn't really have to be 'for' anything (even if it's
a sentient one). And when it is, it's usually not that singular.

But why stop at a single poem?:


  < the purpose of poetry >
 
     poetry gives words      
     a place to go      
      
     it gives me      
     something to do      
     something easier      
     than life      
      
     poetry can save you      
     from work      
     and relatives      
     and love      
     and suicide      
      
     it saved ________*      
     for years      
     and then      
     it helped her/him/it/they/y'all      
      
     poetry gives artists      
     who can't draw      
     a place to paint      
     and novelists      
     who can't write      
     a place to speak      
      
        - - -    


*Insert favorite suicide poet here. (i was going to use "Sylvia Plath"
just to bug Leanny since she was being rude to Sir Elvis of Avon; but,
at the last moment, something droppethed on me.

P.S. My favorite Shakespeare play is "Shakespeare in Love".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138097/


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#13
Quote:P.S. My favorite Shakespeare play is "Shakespeare in Love".

*shudder*

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Quote:Ray: P.S. My favorite Shakespeare play is "Shakespeare in Love".

Leanny: *shudder*

O.K., just for you i'm changing my favorite to Kurosawa's "Throne of Blood".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050613/
He and Mifune cain't do no wrong!



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