are there things you dislike about poetry
#21
Haha, good luck getting any concrete information about what I do in my life based on my poetry Big Grin

Poems let you be who you want to be, only cooler.
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#22
you're a flower seller aren't you Blush

i dislike that poetry is often compartmentalised by some . you rhyme, you don't rhyme. one way it's poetry another way it isn't...why isn't or can't it all be poetry and sometimes good poetry at that. i see all the forms and free styles as poetry. so i hate that for some it's either or that counts.
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#23
Don’t tell me that I’m a rigid
meter beater, somehow frigid
in emotion just because it
rhymes, keeps time and when you pause it
runs onto another line.
All the words I write are mine --
don’t assume that I’m restricted,
don’t believe that I’m addicted
to the a-b-a-b-c:
Fuck me, it’s just poetry
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#24
very hip hoppy.
and that sort of proves my point.
when done well any style or format can be poetry
but i bet many will tell you hip hop isn't poetry, that rap
is rubbish etc.
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#25
Rap and hip hop aren't always good poetry Big Grin... but then, sonnets aren't always good poetry either (as we've proved here often enough!)

People who box and label and tie up with a bow... well, you already know how I feel about that!
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#26
i think thats a valid hate Smile

i'm not keen on artsy fartsy poets, hard to explain an artsy fartsy poet. a bit like a fop with words Big Grin
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#27
I've come to really dislike too much focus on the self in poetry, which is startling to me because my formative experiences as a reader and amateur writer all involved confessional poets. Anne Sexton was the first poet I read for pleasure, followed by Sylvia Plath then John Berryman and Charles Bukowski.
Now though I don't like too much rambling about the poet's soul and their struggle, their journey, how life has affected them. I especially hate it when a writer expresses a major subject solely through the prism of themselves and their emotions. Maya Angelou does this a lot. She seems to celebrate her race and gender by heaping praise on herself, Maya, Ms. Angelou, and treating every other black woman as confirmation of her struggle. Lines like "I am the dream and the hope of the slave" feel almost offensive. No slave, after a long day being whipped and worked to buggery, sank down on their bunk and thought: "one day, one day, Maya Angelou will break these chains and become a rich writer."
Likewise, Sexton was best when she wrote about her own direct experiences and left major subjects alone. Looking back, her attempts to tackle stuff like the Holocaust are just embarrassing. These days I rate Plath and Berryman higher than Sexton, whose work I'm still fascinated by, but just as much on a psychological level as on the level of pure art. Plath I think is kind of underrated. She's often called a confessional poet and discussion of her is left there. But she was so much more than a tortured artist. Her poems are filled with delicious sarcasm and horror. References to "Nazi lampshades" show a working knowledge of the Holocaust, and I see her as having more in common with poets like Edgar Allan Poe than Anne Sexton.
"We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges." - Gene Wolfe
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#28
(09-03-2012, 03:49 PM)Heslopian Wrote:  No slave, after a long day being whipped and worked to buggery, sank down on their bunk and thought: "one day, one day, Maya Angelou will break these chains and become a rich writer."
Big big hug for Jack
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#29
way to go jack. great post

Quote:Now though I don't like too much rambling about the poet's soul and their struggle, their journey,
yes, i'd have quoted the maya line but leanne beat me too it. Sad

they think they're the most important person in every other twats world Big Grin
it's like they cut for all the other cutters. while slavery is great subject to write about, it does sort of suck to make yourself a messiah. is it even relevant if you make lots of cash out of doing it or is it more a meal ticket off the backs of others? but i don't like a lot of that kind of poetry.

the "i am man whatchg strutt" sort of stuff, though i may have done so at one timeSad
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#30
Quote:the "i am man whatchg strutt" sort of stuff, though i may have done so at one timeSad

That male strutting is very BukowskiSmile He was always braggin' about how cool he was and the varied adventures of his dickBig Grin
"We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges." - Gene Wolfe
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#31
You can cut your self short of a wider audience or understanding with some poems, unless you write other things that are powerful enough to draw people into your more obscure stuff. To read some of the poems I've posted on here, it can be seen that I have an unfortunate and elusive obsession with emphasizing 'smoke'. I can explain that that's because, next to all my pillhead friends, the one that does the most harm to me is the one that turns into a vindictive psychopath if they can't smoke hundreds of dollars worth of pot every week. But there's no reason anyone would know that or even care, if I didn't tell them in the poem, or in another poem, or something. When it comes to someone like Anne Sexton, I think she really needed the sense that even the mundane activities in her life had some value, and that someone cared, in order to fight the depression that eventually did kill her. And Sylvia Plath was a very skilled and dazzling poet sometimes, but she didn't even get to live as long as Anne Sexton.

"Haha, good luck getting any concrete information about what I do in my life based on my poetry"

Maybe so, and I'm off subject just for a couple things right quick, but I was taking a look at the meet the staff photos, and based on yours I got the concrete information that you're a girl that never has to be lonely if she don't want to.
And to tie that in with what Billy asked about bad behaviour in another thread, I'm a notorious skirt-chaser. But needless to say, that rarely gets as far as my pessimistic heart trying to make a poem for the Poems For Fun category.
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#32
(09-03-2012, 08:53 PM)Heslopian Wrote:  
Quote:the "i am man whatchg strutt" sort of stuff, though i may have done so at one timeSad

That male strutting is very BukowskiSmile He was always braggin' about how cool he was and the varied adventures of his dickBig Grin
yes but his stuff was about him, his life, and not about how he helped pull men out of or into depravity. it was about how he saw himself and others. not how if it wasn't for him all drunks would be able to seek help etc. i use to hate him, but i think that's because i didn't actually know anything about his poetry, all i ever heard about him was what others said. i doubt maya could write a cat poem like his.

(09-04-2012, 01:29 AM)rowens Wrote:  And to tie that in with what Billy asked about bad behaviour in another thread, I'm a notorious skirt-chaser. But needless to say, that rarely gets as far as my pessimistic heart trying to make a poem for the Poems For Fun category.
yeah but i get the feeling that you mix pessimism with sadness or depression or a negative thing. i'm more or less the pessimist but i'm a happy one. i see the for fun forum as just that. for fun, i'm sure a pessimistic poem could be for fun. when we talk about boxes and poetry thats the boxes i don't like. we can do anything with poetry in any way we choose. i just like to be able to decipher it now and again.
there's nothing wrong with skirt chasing or catching we're all adults who can tell someone it's okay or to fuck off. a poet skirt chaser. i thought i was the only one Hysterical okay, ex one.
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#33
(09-04-2012, 10:02 AM)billy Wrote:  yes but his stuff was about him, his life, and not about how he helped pull men out of or into depravity. it was about how he saw himself and others. not how if it wasn't for him all drunks would be able to seek help etc. i use to hate him, but i think that's because i didn't actually know anything about his poetry, all i ever heard about him was what others said. i doubt maya could write a cat poem like his.

I see Bukowski as being in a different league to most other writers. I don't mean that as an indication of quality, he was just so deliberately outside every movement and style that, for better or worse, he stood alone. I still love his work because it truly captures something. It feels like the record of a life, infused with small, intimate, beautiful observations. I doubt Maya could approach Bukowski's intimacy and honesty, let alone his cat poems.
"We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges." - Gene Wolfe
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#34
i think i feel the same about him. after i got reading him and listening to some of club stuff i got the feeling that he just let himself out of the box, that he didn't need a box. but he stuck to the rules. people understood what he was saying, what he was writing. is a poet who writes something few people understand, a good poet or a pointless one. (as far as the reader is concerned.)
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