what's the most important
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thing you've learnt about poetry?

i think my most important thing is; i like it. even some of the crap poetry can give me some pleasure. don't get me wrong, i don't sit and fap to poetry all day long, i just like being involved in other people thoughts...that reads much weirder than it is Big Grin
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So what do you sit and fap to all day long? :p

"being involved in other people's thoughts" is a good way of putting it... someone, I can't remember who (it might even have been me!) said that poets give you windows where before, you only saw walls.

I like looking at the world through other people's windows.
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women who wear glasses Hysterical

i just read your tribute poem and yes. that what i get. a sort of view through their eyes. if the poem is really good i can hear it it. the fucker doesn't speak to me of course but i hear it's voice. sometimes a whisper sometimes a shout or sob, but the good ones have their own voice. every now and then i hear the voice of a poem and know why i read it.
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as long as they're not telling you to stab people... or watch Big Brother...
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I haven't learnt it yet, but I'm working on listening to my own voice, and not automatically accepting everyone else's opinion as better than my own. I spent a bunch of time today trying to incorporate ALL the advice I had received about one poem and ended up writing something I didn't like as much.

Except for you Leanne, you've only given me windows (some smeared with some really lovely filth) and I will forever be in your debt.

and just what does someone do when they are "fapping about"? (and do I really want to know the answer to this question....)
“Give me silence, water, hope
Give me struggle, iron, volcanoes.”
― Pablo Neruda
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stop making me go off topic. Blush

does anyone ever get lost in a poem? it's said you can lose yourself in a book but can the same be said for a sonnet etc?


okay, this is stretching the question a little, but what did you get from it when you first started reading or writing it. was there something that said; this is what you'll enjoy doing.
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I don't remember starting, I've just always read (and written) poetry of one sort or another. It was just part of my world.

And Ruth, no, you don't want to know Wink
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topic?? did I do that?? ;-)


I get lost for days in just a few lines of poetry, and simply do not understand how everyone else does not stop what there doing when they experience the shear awesomeness of some well written words (yes, my friends think I'm a little batty)

I never said I enjoyed writing poetry, I feel a compulsion at times, I'm rarely satisfied with what I produce, with a few exceptions. eventually I abandon a piece and stop working on it, I never "finish" writing anything. Reading good poetry, on the other hand is marvelous. I started as a kid, so I can't really say when the moment "that poetry found me" was.

you still haven't answered the fap question - just sayin'
“Give me silence, water, hope
Give me struggle, iron, volcanoes.”
― Pablo Neruda
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in a way i envy you, i got the poetry taint real late in life.
i was surprised that i liked it as normally i only enjoy stuff i'm more than competent at or with.
I was in to practical stuff like building and creating thins from solid objects. not sculpture or art but
creative stuff non the less.

(07-31-2012, 12:01 PM)Ruth Wrote:  you still haven't answered the fap question - just sayin'
ever since dad told me to get a grip on myself it's been one of my favourite pastimes Blush i suppose in a way it's poetry in motion Hysterical
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poking out my mind's eye now
“Give me silence, water, hope
Give me struggle, iron, volcanoes.”
― Pablo Neruda
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For the record, billy, stop the crap. Some of your poetry is bloody fantastic (some of it's shite, if that makes you happy). What makes the difference, in my opinion, is the determination to say something someone else hasn't said in exactly the same way before. That makes sense in my head, so there.
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What I've learnt about poetry is more on the writing side. When reading poetry I love I'm too in the moment. When I first started reading it, I remember being knocked over by what was possible with words (for me it was Olds Sex Without Love the last seven lines especially). I never read that type of work and think I can do that. There are moments though where it all comes together and I love that. It happens rarely when I'm writing.

The most important thing in writing is tough I've spent years on imagery, line breaks, and tons of other things. I guess it would be that everything matters.

I like Ruth's (paraphrasing): listen to critique and know when not to listen. That's another important thing.
The secret of poetry is cruelty.--Jon Anderson
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(07-31-2012, 12:12 PM)Leanne Wrote:  For the record, billy, stop the crap. Some of your poetry is bloody fantastic (some of it's shite, if that makes you happy). What makes the difference, in my opinion, is the determination to say something someone else hasn't said in exactly the same way before. That makes sense in my head, so there.
i just shot over the key board Hysterical i think that's the crux. has someone realised that they should always try and improve, that it is a craft.
to be loved but most importantly learnt. and not just the writing side. since coming to poetry i've learnt to see lines and phrases and a host or shit like metaphor etc in a different light. while some poems are good even without understanding, in general i've got an ability to take something from a poem.
it's no longer just words or language.
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what i've learned is the inescapability of metaphor. A guy named Andrew Hudgins wrote: "Sometimes, like now, I have a great need/ to live outside of metaphor,/ to know a dawn that's only dawn/ and corn that's corn and nothing else." I don't know if such a thing can exist
Written only for you to consider.
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#15
when is a cigar not a cigar Big Grin

does poetry have to be universal? from what i see we all see the poem differently okay we may see the same general things but we all take something different. for instance geoff, i saw enjambment probs on your match poem and everyone else didn't Smile i don't feel bad, i went bad and had another look and it's still the same....and it isn't about the right or wrong
of me or them, it's about perception. a good metaphor can have many levels. the same goes for learning, we normally learn by our mistakes but in poetry, while they're are lots of mistakes there's also lots of leeway. ogten it will be the majority that have the I's but it doesn't affect how we see, and that's something i've learnt, "we see it" and it's beautiful.
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