Poll: what effect will the occupation have on the status quo
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it will improve for the masses.
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it will get worse for the masses.
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nothing will change, they're wasting their time.
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corporations will grow stronger
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The 99%
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i suspect the occupation of wall street
and other places around the globe was not in fact due to the wall street brigade, i saw them doing the exact same thing in israel weeks before this happened in the usa. but that doesn't really matter. this is a poll to see if you think it will serve a purpose for the good of the people or the good of the corporations. given time and considering how this movement has grown? will it break capitalism as we know it.


Quote:These are the 99 percent
By Nancy Galland, Special to the BDN
Posted Oct. 17, 2011, at 6:05 p.m.


The headlines in the Monday, Oct. 17, Bangor Daily News included an article that goes to the heart of what the Occupy Wall Street movement is all about: “State revenues $5.9 million in the black due to stronger-than-expected corporate tax collection.” Translation: Corporate profits continue to soar, while job growth plummets, unemployment spirals out of control, schools beg for supplies and foreclosures surge yet again.

This is not new — it has been the trend for years now. What’s new is that people are fed up with it and taking their message to the centers of corporate power. On Saturday, Oct. 15, occupations were held in 1,500 sites around the world, some drawing crowds of hundreds of thousands.

In Augusta, the seat of electoral politics and corporate lobbyists here in Maine, about 120 people from all walks of life gathered at the state Capitol and established a new Occupy Augusta site, complete with tents, portable toilets, first aid, food, water and sign-making tools.

Nearly the whole crowd joined a “21st century civics tour” of the seats of power that blanket the capital area. Walking from one office building to the next, people learned who pulls the strings behind the scenes of the Legislature. For example, some members of high-profile law firms, such as Severin Beliveau of Preti Flaherty, are engaged as lobbyists for industrial and speculative developers like Plum Creek. Onlookers learned that although lobbyists may belong to one political party, they raise money and lobby whichever party is in power.

The tours will continue to be held as the Occupy Augusta movement grows.

Saturday morning in Capitol Park, police insisted that the campers get permits because camping is forbidden there, and they were risking arrest. But when one of the organizers told them that arrests would only draw more and more people, the police backed off. There has been a quiet sense of benign oversight ever since. Even when police in cars sped past sign-carrying protesters, they waved approvingly to the cheering crowd.

On Sunday, the numbers were far fewer but no less dedicated to sending the message of discontent and outrage. I stood beside a young woman with a sign that read, ”I am a single Mom. I work full time. I have no health insurance. I am the 99 percent.”

I asked another woman from Jay why she came. She began to speak, but her lips quivered, nothing came out, until finally she said, “I get so emotional, I get all choked up when I try to talk about it.”

Fred Maim of East Dixfield told me that he came because he’s on disability and has had no cost of living increase in three years. “Congress gives themselves a raise when they want it, but not us. Cuts should start at the top, not the bottom.”

Another young man said he was working for $9 an hour and couldn’t make his rent or transportation and support his son on those wages.

And so the stories go. When you see the oceans of people in clips of the occupations, it is good to remember that every one of them has a story.

When organizer Diane Messer of Liberty was asked how long they intended to stay, her emphatic answer was, “Indefinitely!” She added that although a small core of people will stay overnight in the tents, it is not necessary to support the movement.

“What is important is to show up, make noise, bring good cheer and strong convictions,” said Richard Stander of Stockton Springs. “It’s uplifting and energizing just to be here.”

The intent seems to be that, just like the dozen or so who first tented overnight at Wall Street, these people mean to stay for the long run. Two general assemblies are held every day, at 10 a.m. and 7 p.m., and are open to the public, if you want to see how this new paradigm of democratic processing works. Oh — and bring firewood.

Nancy Galland is a retired organic farmer who lives in Stockton Springs.
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#2
Haven't voted yet, not sure which option to pick. I don't think the movement by itself will effect much change-- peaceful rallies rarely do, and even then it is meeting resistance, with either disdain, or a "we-don't-care-shut-up" from some pundits (there was a woman on CNN saying they should be protesting washington, who's making the policies.... but doesn't that just prove that the rich has america by the balls, even its government?). But hopefully it will cause a chain reaction where more active movements will be taken, and that's what'll bring some changes.
PS. If you can, try your hand at giving some of the others a bit of feedback. If you already have, thanks, can you do some more?
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#3
I have seen a list of concerns the American chapter has--- an incoherent rag-bag, with no policies put forward. Plainly, many of the things which worry Americans do not have any relevance here in the UK -- all the people without healthcare, eg. That has not prevented some enthusiasts from hanging around St Paul's Cathedral. The rich are a terrible lot -- there is that in common, and it is such fun to do whatever other people are doing. They knew how to deal with this stuff during the French Revolution -- you invented a guillotine, and lopped off the heads of the people you did not like--aristocrats, at first. But then, there were others, you know, people who disagreed with you, and who were obviously out to subvert the Revolution, leaders even. So off to the guillotine they went too. Now here, in London, I am wondering about the Amnerican fellow who popped up to explain how things had been done on Wall St --he had come straight from there. Hmm... enough money for an airfare then.... maybe he is one of 'Them'? Off with his head.

What about 2% ers? or 5%ers? Can they be allowed a smooth ride? I say, let's set the bar at, well, anyone who is a bit better off than me? And under no circumstances take the trouble to organise a political party. That would ruin everything, all that silly democratic nonsense--- after all, how could we be sure that the stupid populace would agree with us-- especially, as we can't agree among ourselves.

Will vote in poll the moment some clear policies are agreed.
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#4

personally i doubt it will make much difference if all it is is the occupation of a street or park, despite where it is.
the difference can only be made by boycotting products until the prices drop. (but it would have to be a mass boycott.)
is it democratic for the poor/rich divide to be so great? or is that just a capitalistic phenomenon, I'm not sure it is. socialists in russia had the same problem. those who ran industry had much more. those in power, even more so. while some could create a party to take on the donkeys and the elephants (USA) i doubt it would have too much of an impact. the impact has to be a fiscal one. if everyone in the usa stopped buying cars for 6 months, the price would plummet. screw the making of a depression. you're all already in one...apart from the one %ers. pick out brands to boycott for 6 months and see if they lower prices or not. clothing shops, food stores, even banks. the power is in consumption of goods. if we don't buy they don't make money.
show what sites are ripping you off, of course mentioning apple won't matter. their followers have already been brainwashed hehe.
personally i doubt it will make a change till they start talking with the pittances they profess to have.

imagine if every single person got 2 months behind in a year and stayed that way. or just paid 1 months rent or mortgage every two months. fair enough, some would lose their houses but after a while, and probably not too long. what could the banks do, what could the landlords do? the thing is every one has to do it. if they did there would be no such thing as bad credit ratings as everyone would have a crap one like every one else
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#5
big corporations will always adjust to the situation and put up a new face when necessary but will come back to profit first
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#6
Interesting...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/18...02310.html

In a leaked memo from a lobbying firm, they are advising their Wall Street clients about the possible effect of the Occupy Movement. They predict that this may make Republicans shift their platforms and turn on big banks, at least in public, thus altering the political ground for years to come. So it seems the Occupy Wall street thing is rattling some people after all.
PS. If you can, try your hand at giving some of the others a bit of feedback. If you already have, thanks, can you do some more?
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#7
they'll just sit it out,however long it takes,after all they can afford it
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