What happened with poetry?
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(05-15-2022, 07:44 PM)RiverNotch Wrote:   if y'all Americans cried over a racist and sexist motherfucker dismantling your throne over international relations, here we cry over a motherfucker who calls his father plunging us into poverty and disappearing thousands of innocents a golden age. tiktok seems like fun. Fuck tiktok.

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(05-15-2022, 07:55 PM)busker Wrote:  
(05-15-2022, 07:44 PM)RiverNotch Wrote:  I'm 24 and one of the reasons I'm not as active as I used to be is because it's harder to post on my phone than on my laptop, but then my laptop has video games xD

As for bringing poetry to the masses, for now my hope is at some point I get the means to reach out to editors, then get something formally published. I posted stuff in my personal facebook page a while back, but I stopped due to embarrassment. Maybe I could have made a proper facebook page, but there's a very good reason why I got so embarrassed: I'm not that arrogant. Plenty of people that get published don't deserve getting published, but at least those who aren't self-published share their arrogance with their editor. Posting on a facebook page featuring your own poetry? Or on instagram? Or even on twitter? It's like most self-publishing: arrogant. It's a healthy attitude to assume you're not William Blake, and even if you were, Blake was a *professional* printer. Are you willing to make instagram poetry your job?

I post some stuff, even raw stuff I don't bother to have critiqued, on various discords, some with communities in the thousands. But I don't post in anything but channels dedicated to original writing -- I haven't joined a community that's poetry-specific in discord, neither -- and those channels are rarely visited anyway. I *am* arrogant, but not to the point of being unvirtuous.

Instagram poetry, or what I read of it that occasionally pops up on my reddit (where I don't post original stuff, either, not even in workshopping communities, if those still exist), is shit. Lang Leav, who as far as I know isn't an Instagram poet, is also not very good. She just seems kinda...idk, lucky? especially since she started as a visual artist.

But good poetry is occasionally shared on reddit too, usually poetry by established authors Anglophiles would never otherwise hear about. My books app is how I read Louise Gluck; Adobe Acrobat, how I read Yehuda Amichai and Anne Carson's Sappho. And Spotify---Kendrick Lamar just dropped a new album, and it is hot.

By default, you can only be a great poet once you've been published. I think mercedes and leanne have had some of their stuff published, but both of them have moved on now, one (afaik) due to publishers' contracts (some publishers will make you delete your stuff before it gets published), and the other due to cancer.

ps I stopped using facebook years ago, too, but while I often find myself browsing reddit and I definitely use discord, facebook and tiktok just ruined another election, only, if y'all Americans cried over a racist and sexist motherfucker dismantling your throne over international relations, here we cry over a motherfucker who calls his father plunging us into poverty and disappearing thousands of innocents a golden age. tiktok seems like fun. Fuck tiktok.

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nothing a person says before they're 30 has any meaning. Unless it's a woman, and she's a young mother.
Or it's mathematics.

But on the subject of poetry - I have read some absolutely sensational Instagram poetry. Not poets, but regular poetry from all eras posted as images.
That's how I came across this gem: http://www.universeofpoetry.org/mvskoke-...ves%20here.

 If you look with the mind of the swirling earth near Shiprock, you become the land beautiful, and understand how three crows at the edge of the highway laughing, become three crows at the edge of the world laughing.
Oh, that's not really Instagram poetry, that's just regular poetry posted on Instagram. Instapoetry is, like, a thing of its own. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instapoetry

I'd say a lot of us write the sort and share it here, but the difference between poetry and the phenomenon of Instagram "poetry" is that what we crap out, we understand to be just that: crap. Instagram "poetry" might be revised, but usually that's for the purpose of presentation -- font, the way the lines flow down the page, corresponding images -- instead of what folks, since the dawn of poetry, and actual poets (and even many songwriters) understand to be what "form" actually is. That is to say, to write poetry is to cook, whereas to craft Instagram "poetry" is to put something in a doggy bag. Its popularity, it seems to me, is just another manifestation of late capitalism: a great way to distract most people from actually dealing with their problems is to present a cheap, uncritical outlet as quickly and cheaply as possible, and so we get Instagram "poetry", dull pop, and most things made by Disney.


(05-15-2022, 10:32 PM)CRNDLSM Wrote:  
(05-15-2022, 07:44 PM)RiverNotch Wrote:   if y'all Americans cried over a racist and sexist motherfucker dismantling your throne over international relations, here we cry over a motherfucker who calls his father plunging us into poverty and disappearing thousands of innocents a golden age. tiktok seems like fun. Fuck tiktok.

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(05-15-2022, 07:44 PM)RiverNotch Wrote:   y'all Americans cried over a racist and sexist motherfucker dismantling your throne over international relations, here we cry over a motherfucker who calls his father plunging us into poverty and disappearing thousands of innocents a golden age. tiktok seems like fun. Fuck tiktok.

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