Your History Month
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Your History Month


Would you rather
your treasured story
be victimization
or surmounting it?
Would you rather be
ugly or beautiful?
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You tend to have a polemic tone in your poems? Is that optimal?

In Slavery, black people were treated like shit, white people were treated like piss. Now, black and white people are treated like piss. I'm talking about us, all-together b I m mean now. In the Holocaust, caust, Jews were treated like shit. It was despicable violence, sorry for saying spic, . Where some see Strength and Bravery, I see desperation. The Holocaust and Slavery were despicable violence and desperate survival. Nothing inspirational outside of gimmick and propaganda.

Is that what you have in this poem?

That last post was a paragraph from one of my books. I used your poem as a vehicle to further my aganda. I mean, agenda.
That's how media works.:

2. plural form of medium.

I want to be pushy for a moment, because I want to be somewhere later. And I have energy.

I'm a Romantic; that means, I believe in GOD or whatever you call It, and rebel against If there were no GOD, and there is, I'd have nothing to rebel against.
There is no GOD, and I love everyone equally, but think some people are ugly andor lame, and want to fuck some people whether they're lame or not.


This sums up your position in this poem. Sum reminds me of the word Summer. , you Dig?


"your treasured story"

My treasured story is Summer, you dig.
?

"Would you rather be
ugly or beautiful?"

I don't care what I looj loke. But if ypu do't look the way I loik4: is thay not:

me?
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@rowens - A useful reply;  your ESP trips you up a little.

Yes, when I wrote this I was thinking about Black History Month (February in the US) - the title was different.

But in the course of editing and re-titling, it became (at least in my mind) more generalized.  That is, for example, applying it to myself:  would I rather give up my conviction that the disputed election was fraudulent and be thought more acceptable, or hold on to that (let us be frank) mindset of having been victimized?

So by that reading, still polemical but on a different plane.  Nor is the answer foreordained or obvious:  it can be a form of Machiavelli's "Is it better to be feared or loved?" to which Master Niccolo's answer was the former.  Or taken another way, that magnificent catty putdown on hearing a "brave" but actually false/complaisant assertion of belief, "Pretty to think so."

In a way, too, talking trash is a way to make yourself ugly and, thereby, powerful.  The question is motive:  is it to drive others to do your bidding, or to drive them away because accepting their version of reality, even arguendo, is too terrifying?
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What would be your ideal social arrangement, ideal, as in beyond the set and current options and topical debates?
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(02-06-2021, 12:43 AM)rowens Wrote:  What would be your ideal social arrangement, ideal, as in beyond the set and current options and topical debates?

Just off the top of my head, Switzerland ca. 1951.
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Do you think it would be better or worse if everybody agreed and liked the same things and had the same worldview? Is peace worth it?
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(02-04-2021, 07:47 AM)dukealien Wrote:  Your History Month


Would you rather
your treasured story
be victimization
or surmounting it?
Would you rather be
ugly or beautiful?

How does having a black history month imply a victim complex?
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(02-06-2021, 06:01 PM)busker Wrote:  
(02-04-2021, 07:47 AM)dukealien Wrote:  Your History Month


Would you rather
your treasured story
be victimization
or surmounting it?
Would you rather be
ugly or beautiful?

How does having a black history month imply a victim complex?

I'm paralleling victim with ugly, but associating treasure with surmounting victimization.  But this is Dukes history month, inspired by a month dedicated to black history, maybe it's about surmounting the selfvictimization of subconscious racism.
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(02-06-2021, 06:01 PM)busker Wrote:  
(02-04-2021, 07:47 AM)dukealien Wrote:  Your History Month


Would you rather
your treasured story
be victimization
or surmounting it?
Would you rather be
ugly or beautiful?

How does having a black history month imply a victim complex?

By setting one group apart, basically.  The victim/avenger option is just human nature once that's established - part of the human tool kit.  Should it be resisted, or valorized?
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(02-07-2021, 12:50 AM)dukealien Wrote:  
(02-06-2021, 06:01 PM)busker Wrote:  
(02-04-2021, 07:47 AM)dukealien Wrote:  Your History Month


Would you rather
your treasured story
be victimization
or surmounting it?
Would you rather be
ugly or beautiful?

How does having a black history month imply a victim complex?

By setting one group apart, basically.  The victim/avenger option is just human nature once that's established - part of the human tool kit.  Should it be resisted, or valorized?

The purpose of the month is to recognise black achievers, who have been historically overlooked*.  Particularly relevant for the colonies, which have been comparatively less enlightened than Europe. For instance, Aborigines gained the right to vote in Australia only in 1967, and the civil rights bill was passed in the US only in 1964 or thereabouts. Which means that blacks were enshrined in law as being inferior to whites a generation ago, and not hundreds of years in the past. Having an event of this nature also cuts through the clutter that children growing up in bigoted households (much of the American south, apparently) get shoved in front of their faces.

In an ideal world, where everyone was a rational man of science, well educated, well travelled and good at geometry, a Black History Month would be superfluous, as would be a VE day, a July 4, or Christmas. 



*Black History Month is an annual celebration of achievements by African Americans and a time for recognizing their central role in U.S. history. Also known as African American History Month, the event grew out of “Negro History Week,” the brainchild of noted historian Carter G. Woodson and other prominent African Americans. Since 1976, every U.S. president has officially designated the month of February as Black History Month. Other countries around the world, including Canada and the United Kingdom, also devote a month to celebrating Black history.
https://www.history.com/topics/black-his...tory-month
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(02-07-2021, 06:18 AM)busker Wrote:  
(02-07-2021, 12:50 AM)dukealien Wrote:  
(02-06-2021, 06:01 PM)busker Wrote:  How does having a black history month imply a victim complex?

By setting one group apart, basically.  The victim/avenger option is just human nature once that's established - part of the human tool kit.  Should it be resisted, or valorized?

The purpose of the month is to recognise black achievers, who have been historically overlooked*.  Particularly relevant for the colonies, which have been comparatively less enlightened than Europe. For instance, Aborigines gained the right to vote in Australia only in 1967, and the civil rights bill was passed in the US only in 1964 or thereabouts. Which means that blacks were enshrined in law as being inferior to whites a generation ago, and not hundreds of years in the past. Having an event of this nature also cuts through the clutter that children growing up in bigoted households (much of the American south, apparently) get shoved in front of their faces.

In an ideal world, where everyone was a rational man of science, well educated, well travelled and good at geometry, a Black History Month would be superfluous, as would be a VE day, a July 4, or Christmas. 



*Black History Month is an annual celebration of achievements by African Americans and a time for recognizing their central role in U.S. history. Also known as African American History Month, the event grew out of “Negro History Week,” the brainchild of noted historian Carter G. Woodson and other prominent African Americans. Since 1976, every U.S. president has officially designated the month of February as Black History Month. Other countries around the world, including Canada and the United Kingdom, also devote a month to celebrating Black history.
https://www.history.com/topics/black-his...tory-month

That's the "beautiful" option.  Would that it were consistently chosen.
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(02-07-2021, 07:53 AM)dukealien Wrote:  
(02-07-2021, 06:18 AM)busker Wrote:  
(02-07-2021, 12:50 AM)dukealien Wrote:  By setting one group apart, basically.  The victim/avenger option is just human nature once that's established - part of the human tool kit.  Should it be resisted, or valorized?

The purpose of the month is to recognise black achievers, who have been historically overlooked*.  Particularly relevant for the colonies, which have been comparatively less enlightened than Europe. For instance, Aborigines gained the right to vote in Australia only in 1967, and the civil rights bill was passed in the US only in 1964 or thereabouts. Which means that blacks were enshrined in law as being inferior to whites a generation ago, and not hundreds of years in the past. Having an event of this nature also cuts through the clutter that children growing up in bigoted households (much of the American south, apparently) get shoved in front of their faces.

In an ideal world, where everyone was a rational man of science, well educated, well travelled and good at geometry, a Black History Month would be superfluous, as would be a VE day, a July 4, or Christmas. 



*Black History Month is an annual celebration of achievements by African Americans and a time for recognizing their central role in U.S. history. Also known as African American History Month, the event grew out of “Negro History Week,” the brainchild of noted historian Carter G. Woodson and other prominent African Americans. Since 1976, every U.S. president has officially designated the month of February as Black History Month. Other countries around the world, including Canada and the United Kingdom, also devote a month to celebrating Black history.
https://www.history.com/topics/black-his...tory-month

That's the "beautiful" option.  Would that it were consistently chosen.

Part of the reason why the other option is still a valid one is that white settlers still honour genocidal maniacs in the name of 'heritage' and 'tradition'. 
For instance, James Whyte, the sixth premier of Tasmania, killed 40-80 aborigines (who knows what the actual number was....maybe higher) in 1840 as reprisals for the theft of sheep. This man still has a street named after him in the (mercifully) nondescript town of Coleraine in Victoria.
There would be similar cases in the United States
It will remain difficult for the other party to 'move on' under the circumstances.
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#13
Hey Duke-

Would you rather
your treasured story
be victimization
or surmounting it?  Hmm... I'd rather my treasured story be one of celebration. But it's your poem so they're your questions (and answers).
Would you rather be
ugly or beautiful? If I were physically ugly I 'd hope you'd see beyond that (think Hawking).  If I were emotionally ugly I would probably think I was beautiful, so it wouldn't matter what anybody thought anyway.

The poem leaves out everything in the middle, and there're plenty of answers in that middle. 

I usually hesitate to respond to "multiple choice" questions like these, especially when the questions seem to answer themselves.
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(02-14-2021, 08:54 AM)Mark A Becker Wrote:  Hey Duke-

Would you rather
your treasured story
be victimization
or surmounting it?  Hmm... I'd rather my treasured story be one of celebration. But it's your poem so they're your questions (and answers).
Would you rather be
ugly or beautiful? If I were physically ugly I 'd hope you'd see beyond that (think Hawking).  If I were emotionally ugly I would probably think I was beautiful, so it wouldn't matter what anybody thought anyway.

The poem leaves out everything in the middle, and there're plenty of answers in that middle. 

I usually hesitate to respond to "multiple choice" questions like these, especially when the questions seem to answer themselves.

Well, they're rhetorical questions, of course. And poetry is rhetoric... or is it? Or, perhaps, is rhetoric poetry?
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Victim or achiever are not mutually exclusive and an achiever who never got recognition for his achievements would certainly be a victim. You can be both a victim and overcome your victimizers. You can be ugly and beautiful. You can be good and evil. Many peoples life story will include unsung achievements. Many will endure unspeakable victimization. It’s OK to be honest. To tell the truth. To speak.

Your poem is too white and black.

This is where the poem falls short.
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(02-20-2021, 02:10 PM)Xlateralus Wrote:  Victim or achiever are not mutually exclusive and an achiever who never got recognition for his achievements would certainly be a victim. You can be both a victim and overcome your victimizers. You can be ugly and beautiful. You can be good and evil.  Many peoples life story will include unsung achievements. Many will endure unspeakable victimization. It’s OK to be honest. To tell the truth.  To speak.

Your poem is too white and black.

This is where the poem falls short.

Well, it's a short poem  tongueincheek .

Seriously, though:  having been a victim, is treasuring your history of victimhood an attractive stance?  I mean, to others who don't mean to exploit it?
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Black history month is about black people who weren’t suppressed by their victimization. It’s not a celebration of a victim mentality (which I agree is bad) its a defiance of it.
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(02-21-2021, 03:21 AM)Xlateralus Wrote:  Black history month is about black people who weren’t suppressed by their victimization.  It’s not a celebration of a victim mentality (which I agree is bad) its a defiance of it.

From your mouth to God's ear.  big hug
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