HELP! I'M NEW AND LOST!! (aka commonly asked questions and their answers)
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Hello, Newbie and welcome to the Pigpen! Big Grin   

Here is a quick reference for some commonly asked Newbie questions:


Q: I wrote my first critique, where is it?



Answer:
#1. All newbie comments must be approved by a moderator.  Your comment will not appear on the poem until a moderator has read and approved it.
#2.  To gain full access to the site you need to write three critiques on poems in the workshop forums.  (The workshop forums are basic, mild, and intensive.)  
#3.  Then a moderator must approve each of your three critiques.
#4.  After your third critique in the workshops has been approved, you will gain complete access to the site and all future posts will appear immediately and you will also be able to post your own poetry. 
#5.  While you are welcome to write critiques on poems outside the workshop forums, these will not count toward your three required and your comments will continue to be monitored until you have three approved in the actual workshops.  

Side note: Moderators are volunteers with real lives, so please do not expect instant results.  However, we do check the moderation board regularly.  It is probably safe to assume that, if your post does not appear within 24 hours, then it was not approved.  Don't lose heart!  Simply read the rules and try again. 



Q:  Why did one comment pass and the other did not?   


A: 1. The main reason a critique or comment will not pass approval is if it is not appropriate for that specific forum.  We may approve your comment in basic, but if you try to write a similar comment in the intensive forum, it will not pass.  One liners and mild or general observations are permissible only in the basic workshop.  The expectations in mild are that you will reference specific words or lines in the poem.  The expectations for intensive is that you will go almost line by line through the poem offering observations, suggestions, etc.  Comments in the Intensive forum must show that you have spent time and effort actually reading the poem and thinking about it.  One line suggestions in the Intensive forum will not be approved by a moderator.


2. The other main reason a critique will not pass moderation is if it does not contain any actual critique of the poem.  (ex. "This is a lovely poem about cats.  I had a cat when I was a child, his name was Fred.  What is your cat's name?")  While they could be pleasant to hear, comments like that say nothing constructive about the actual poem.  They are not acceptable in the three workshop forums and will not pass.   Note:  There are a variety of ways to say "I like this poem" and none of them are actually helpful to the author.  You don't have to tear the poem apart, you can say positive things if you want, but do it by being specific; point out a particular line or word that you like and say why you liked it.  Simply saying "nice use of metaphor" or some variation is no more helpful than saying "this is nice."  ;Wink   


Q:  I wrote three comments and they were all approved, why didn't the magic portal open?  


A: While you are welcome to write critiques on poems outside the workshop forums, these will not count toward your three required and your comments will continue to be monitored until you have three approved in the actual workshops.  (basic, mild, intensive)   


Q: I posted a comment, but now it's gone ... where did it go?


A:  Each forum has different rules, so pay attention to where you are before posting your reply. A comment that would be fine in Basic might be insufficient effort in the Intensive workshop.  Similarly, while lite banter is permitted in the non-workshop forums, it is discouraged in the workshops.  And while trolling may be allowed in the sewer or the arse, it is forbidden in the regular poetry forums.  

Please read each forum's rules.  Familiarizing yourself with these rules will save you the grief of losing your posts.  Moderators will either delete these posts or leave a "red letter" note.   If your post has been deleted, please do not re-post the exact same thing.  



Q:  Where is the button to post a new thread?  Why can't I see it? 


A: In order to post new threads, all new members must first offer three mod-approved critiques in the workshop forums.  The button to post a new thread will not be available to you until you have done this.  


Q:  How do I move my poem to a different forum?


A:  Easy!  Just pm a moderator saying "I'd like my poem (poem's name) to be moved to the (forum's name) forum."  and we will happily move it for you. Thumbsup 

(Please do not "move" it yourself by posting a new thread with the same poem.  This creates clutter and causes previous readers to lose track of the poem's progress.  Duplicate threads will be deleted or merged into the original.)


Q:  I posted a poem and no one has commented.  Why?


A:   Give it time.    
This is not a paid service, everyone is here in their spare time and for their own reasons. There is no rule that says every poem must and shall receive feedback.  Sometimes a poem will receive few or no comments.  

Ways to encourage people to comment on your poem:

1. Comment on other people's poems!!!!!  Give to receive.   

2. Write a good poem.  Make sure it reflects your best work.  

3. Be aware of what you are asking.  If your poem is super long or full of complicated historical references, be aware that your readers will require extra time to process it before they will be able to comment.  Also, if you post your poem in the Intensive workshop, your readers will require more time to get to know your poem in order to write a detailed critique in response.  

4. Have patience! Remember that your readers live all over the world in different time zones and also that they have day jobs and real lives that come first. It can take days or weeks for some people to get around to your poem. Give them time.   Wink  

But most of all, be patient and give lots of critique to others. Thumbsup  


Q:  How do I make one of those awesome little boxes for hiding away words?


A: So glad you asked! Big Grin  Here is the link for that: 
http://www.pigpenpoetry.com/thread-19301.html

But be careful, the little boxes are fun and addictive and if you get carried away about it you might fall into the sewer.  (long story, don't ask) Confused 


Q:   No one understands my poem.  Where should I put the explanation?  


A: Nowhere.  Please do not explain your poem.  If you absolutely cannot resist the urge to explain, then at least hide it inside a "spoiler" box (see above for how).  If the poem cannot stand on it's own without the explanation, then you need to fix the poem.

Please read:  http://www.pigpenpoetry.com/thread-20340.html  


Q:   There are so many forums!  What are the rules for each one?  


 A: Here is a cheat sheet for what is allowed/appropriate for each forum: 

Basic:

  This is as much a forum for people who are new to critique as it is for people who are new to poetry.  All comments must relate to the poem in the original thread.  No off topic banter, no commenting on comments, no inappropriate language.  All personal feelings and comments should be relegated to pm, the sewer, or the arse respectively. Critique should say at least one specific thing about the poem.  A simple "I like this" or variations of that sentiment will not suffice.  But we do try to give as much grace as we can in this forum to allow for those who are learning.   Thumbsup 


Mild/Moderate:

  All comments must relate to the poem in the original thread.  No off topic banter, no commenting on comments, no inappropriate language. All personal feelings and comments should be relegated to pm, the sewer, or the arse respectively.  Critique should be carefully considered analysis of the poem and contain references to specific words or lines of the poem.  "Generalized nothings" such as "this poem could use more metaphor" are not appropriate for this forum.   Be specific. All personal feelings and comments should be relegated to pm, the sewer, or the arse respectively. 


Intensive:

All comments must relate to the poem in the original thread.  No off topic banter, no commenting on comments, no inappropriate language.  Critique should be carefully considered line by line analysis of the poem.  All personal feelings and comments should be relegated to pm, the sewer, or the arse respectively.


Miscellaneous/Fun/ Haiku/Short form:

  Critique is permitted but not required.  All comments should relate to the original thread.  Lite on topic banter is permitted but should be kept to a minimum. All personal feelings and comments should be relegated to pm, the sewer, or the arse respectively.  Trolling, flaming, inappropriate language, and insults are not permitted here and will be deleted or red-lettered by moderators.


Discussion Forum:

  All comments should relate to the original thread.  Lite on topic banter is permitted.  Trolling, flaming, inappropriate language, and insults are not permitted here and will be deleted or red-lettered by moderators.


Pig's Arse:

  An easy breezy poetry playground.  Moderation is at a bare minimum here; poets and critics can post parody, satire, naughty limericks, banter etc. without fear of reprimand.  Not a place for the thin skinned or the easily offended.


Members Only:

  While it may be located in the Arse, this forum is actually moderated.  The purpose of this forum is to provide a place for members who do not wish to be visible to search engines.  Comments should focus on the original thread, any banter should be light and on topic.  Trolling, flaming, and insulting the poet or the critic are not permitted here.


Sewer:

The sewer is a place to let off steam.  Moderation here is low to non existent.  This place is not for poetry and it is not for people who are squeamish. 



 




To avoid common mistakes, please familiarize yourself with the information found in these links: 



THE RULES:
http://www.pigpenpoetry.com/misc.php?action=help&hid=12


Giving Critique: 
http://www.pigpenpoetry.com/thread-6438.html

Where to post your poem:
http://www.pigpenpoetry.com/thread-5281.html

More on forums:
http://www.pigpenpoetry.com/thread-6439.html

FAQ page:
http://www.pigpenpoetry.com/thread-5350.html
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