germany and the payment to criminals
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should they have done it.
payed for the disc?

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#2
I think so.

Because these are people who put their money in accounts in Switzerland. Now your common Joe who does the odd "under the table job" does not put his money in Swiss banks. These must've been people that are not poor.

If we look at the numbers in that article: 1500 people (up to) and 140 million lost in tax.

That amounts to over $90k per person. Now these are statistical numbers and we can't de facto prove that it is like this. But my guess is that the details in that disc may concern some very well off people who must pay their tax. Tax is common subject to everyone. People judge poor tax evaders but they are the ones that need help most. And the thing that annoys me is that people who have no monetary problems what so ever are trying to avoid paying the government... Not cool i say Dodgy

And as mentioned in the article, Germany has done this before. They paid $6 million a few years back for pretty much the same cause. And they got the former head of the postal service (Deutsche Post) and several bank members (again reinforcing the point that money is not a problem for these sorts of people). What did they get out of that? $250 million in recovered revenue. 4000% of $6 million. And I believe that is the right thing to do.

And sure you are paying a criminal. And that is wrong.. But you have to even it out. The reward is much greater! You just have to make sure it should not happen again by getting these lists yourself and not from some criminal who stole them. Confusedleepy:
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(02-05-2010, 02:13 AM)velvetfog Wrote:  This isn't the first time Germany has done this. In December, 2008, Germany paid 5 million Euro for a CD containing the Lichtenstein bank records of 1,400 German tax evaders. The whistle blowers who gather the information, and sell it to tax authorities are only criminals insofar as they have violated the very strict bank secrecy laws that the various tax heavens have.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/busine...77416.html

As long as tax havens exists, money will flow there.

As an example, for every dollar that the developed nations donate to Africa, several dollars are being deposited into the western world's tax havens by corrupt African politicians. This completely nullifies the African aid effort. The result is a continuous outflow of funds from that continent, which will leave Africa poor forever.

In Norway, the founders of a hitech firm were just convicted of tax fraud. When they were given a very lucrative buyout offer from another Norwegian company, they set up dummy corporations in Lichtenstein, sold their shares to their individual dummy corporations at just over book value, and then the Lichtenstein dummy corporations sold the shares to the Norwegian buying company at a very large profit. All the money thus remained in Lichtenstein banks, avoiding Norway's very high capital gains tax. But they got caught, and received prison terms.

The problem with allowing people to hide money in tax havens, is that the rich gets richer, while the poor becomes poorer. The middle class ends up footing the entire national tax burden, while the rich pays no tax at all.

Germany, and also the United States, are doing what they can to stop this tax evasion by their citizens.
i think the act of stealing the information was theft but should it go to court it shouldn't recieve a big sentence, for me the real crime is that it's being sold instead of given to the german gov. that to me is a kind of extortion. and should be treated as such.

that aside, i agree vf. people who earn money in a certain country should pay tax to that country. again i agree with you about the aid. it's one of the reasons many aid agencies like to be where the aid (not financial) is distributed. i think that every bank report what a foreign national holds within to that persons country of residence (tax office)
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#4
Just my 2 cents here but it seems to me that no matter the excuse the law must not be broken to catch another law breaker. I don't care what the offence is or how much money is involved. When the law makers break the law they become organized criminals themselves and seems to me they set president for the rest of us to do so as well. You can not have your cake and eat it too.
Unless you are supporting a Fascist government system of rule.
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#5
we all broke the law at some stage


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(02-05-2010, 08:07 PM)Benny2guns Wrote:  Just my 2 cents here but it seems to me that no matter the excuse the law must not be broken to catch another law breaker. I don't care what the offence is or how much money is involved. When the law makers break the law they become organized criminals themselves and seems to me they set president for the rest of us to do so as well. You can not have your cake and eat it too.
Unless you are supporting a Fascist government system of rule.
police pay informers everyday. i don't agree wit it but it happens.

the courts broker deals and lighter sentences ever day in oder to get someone to turn over his fellow criminals.

paying for information isn't a crime.

the law isn't that the german gov paid it's that someone took information.
since no one has said what was stolen then there's no crime really.

if you wish to chrage someone you have to give details of what was stolen. the swiss banks would never do that. they can't just say "a $5 disc was stolen" so wheres the crime?
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