(11-05-2013, 10:23 AM)milo Wrote:  Also, i do have a job, i am there many, many hours. The confusion arises due to me not actually accomplishing any /work/ while I am there (here actually right now)

Is the morgue really that demanding though, milo?

(11-05-2013, 11:03 AM)Todd Wrote:  

(11-05-2013, 10:23 AM)milo Wrote:  Also, i do have a job, i am there many, many hours. The confusion arises due to me not actually accomplishing any /work/ while I am there (here actually right now)

Is the morgue really that demanding though, milo?

i know outsiders like you doubt it but, we know that if I wasn't watching them, the dead really would get up and walk away.

I must admit I am skeptical. It's just that you spend a lot of time in there.

We've heard rambling. It sounds like you're positioning the bodies. I'm not sure what to think honestly.

(11-05-2013, 11:10 AM)Todd Wrote:  I must admit I am skeptical. It's just that you spend a lot of time in there.

We've heard rambling. It sounds like you're positioning the bodies. I'm not sure what to think honestly.

The reason I am here is so you won't have to think. Rest easy as i tend to the dead.

Tend...

tend...

The meaning must vary wildly from what I think it means.

Is tend a consensual verb?

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Oh, this forum is in one of of our PG13 ones. I guess I should have this discussion at a later date.

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feed billy to the dragon.

You have my vote

(11-05-2013, 10:23 AM)milo Wrote:  

(11-05-2013, 10:08 AM)billy Wrote:  we don't have enough mods for one on ones really. and we're not keen on having more than what we've got, milo's posts are prolific and lengthy because he has no other job in general we can only learn from doing, to stop people giving crit/feedback because they aren't of a certain level would hinder their chance to learn. we learn by reading and doing. trauma makes a poet strong, if their traumatised often enough they'll learn how to cope with feedback. a poorly done poem is a poorly done poem, to tell a poet any different would be the unkindest cut we could inflict on him.
we can certainly look at some of the other things though. personally i hate restricting poets who want to try and improve by make them post a hundred poems/posts, in general the new registered forum works well enough even if an odd few slip through the cracks.

thanks for the input :J:

I think there was some confusion raised because i brought this post back from the dead, it is over two years old!!

i just wanted to see how many people would vote to feed billy to a dragon.

As for a minimum number of posts, it is a good idea in practice but I would be afraid it would keep some members that are already at an advanced point in their poetic journey from joining and participating and that would be a severe loss to the sight.

Also, i do have a job, i am there many, many hours. The confusion arises due to me not actually accomplishing any /work/ while I am there (here actually right now)

i see you're a priest

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(11-05-2013, 11:10 AM)Todd Wrote:  I must admit I am skeptical. It's just that you spend a lot of time in there.

We've heard rambling. It sounds like you're positioning the bodies. I'm not sure what to think honestly.

word has it that milo uses them to write his poetry

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to wait on, as in ( do what's needed for them to function as a corpse)

(11-05-2013, 11:17 AM)Todd Wrote:  Tend...

tend...

The meaning must vary wildly from what I think it means.

Is tend a consensual verb?

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Oh, this forum is in one of of our PG13 ones. I guess I should have this discussion at a later date.

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feed billy to the dragon.

You have my vote

I like dragons. Don't make them eat rubbish food.

We don't have moderators so that other members can be excused the need for interaction on the site -- mods are exceedingly busy just making sure that everything runs smoothly, and occasionally making sure that their bikini lines are smooth also.

milo sometimes says rather clever things, but it's best not to encourage him. He gets excited and then all of a sudden there's another incident and all the butter is gone.

I volunteer to watch Leanne's bikini lines, thereby freeing up more time for her to critique!

(11-05-2013, 07:58 PM)Leanne Wrote:  I like dragons. Don't make them eat rubbish food.

We don't have moderators so that other members can be excused the need for interaction on the site -- mods are exceedingly busy just making sure that everything runs smoothly, and occasionally making sure that their bikini lines are smooth also.

milo sometimes says rather clever things, but it's best not to encourage him. He gets excited and then all of a sudden there's another incident and all the butter is gone.

You are just jealous because I traded that worthless cow for this book of clever sayings. Now give me the goddamn butter, Leanne! Billy got that for us all to share! And stop using it to shave your legs.

i just hope she doesn't use it to shave her chest :HUH:

Totally new to this whole thing, don't really know if I can call myself a poet but I write things down that pop in my head during times of hardship and struggle. Looking to see if what I am doing makes sense to anyone else but me. Don't know if this is the write place to post this but I'll give it a try.

(10-16-2015, 02:49 PM)Jacksdad Wrote:  Totally new to this whole thing, don't really know if I can call myself a poet but I write things down that pop in my head during times of hardship and struggle. Looking to see if what I am doing makes sense to anyone else but me. Don't know if this is the write place to post this but I'll give it a try.

I suggest you start in the Novice Forum. Read the rules and important threads then start reading the poems. I'm sure you'll have something to say about your experience with them. Remember, our goal in posting our poems in any workshop is to identify the weak and strong points so we can keep them in mind during the editing process.

(10-17-2015, 03:52 AM)zabetha Wrote:  do people actually edit???

Yes

(10-17-2015, 10:21 AM)zabetha Wrote:  odd  ...

I think beginners rarely edit as what they write doesn't really deserve editing but, over time, as you seem to create the best poem you can and you start writing higher quality work you will find a desire to  edit it to perfection.

(10-17-2015, 12:00 PM)milo Wrote:  ... edit it to perfection.

    or to extinction.

    The editing technique of throwing the whole damn thing down the shite-hole is,
    while quite advanced, well worth the effort taken to perfect it.

(10-17-2015, 02:47 PM)rayheinrich Wrote:  

(10-17-2015, 12:00 PM)milo Wrote:  ... edit it to perfection.

    or to extinction.

    The editing technique of throwing the whole damn thing down the shite-hole is,
    while quite advanced, well worth the effort taken to perfect it.

My favourite technique

isn't extinction a form of perfection?

(10-17-2015, 04:20 PM)zabetha Wrote:  i suppose it depends on your style.

sometimes I edit when the syllables aren't right, but I rarely "perfect" a poem..

A perfect poem is a rare beast, I' doubt I'll ever write one but since I've joined this site I've learned to at least aim for one and to sew up the gaping holes.

(10-17-2015, 03:54 PM)milo Wrote:  

(10-17-2015, 02:47 PM)rayheinrich Wrote:  The editing technique of throwing the whole damn thing down the shite-hole is,
    while quite advanced, well worth the effort taken to perfect it.

    My favourite technique

        You're obviously quite advanced.

(10-17-2015, 03:57 PM)RiverNotch Wrote:  isn't extinction a form of perfection?

    Yes, of course!
    So... considering this in a philosophical, metaphysical (and even biblical) light:
    The way to create a perfect poem is to throw it down the shite-hole.
    (My guess is milo knew this years ago and was quite content to watch us suffer.)

(10-17-2015, 08:20 PM)ellajam Wrote:  

(10-17-2015, 04:20 PM)zabetha Wrote:  i suppose it depends on your style.
sometimes I edit when the syllables aren't right, but I rarely "perfect" a poem..

A perfect poem is a rare beast, I doubt I'll ever write one but
since I've joined this site I've learned to at least aim for one and to sew up the gaping holes.

The definition of the word "perfect", only allows for a single perfect poem. All others, by definition, aren't.

I hereby define the poem below as the one and only perfect one:
Thereby saving all others from further grief.

    life
    is its own metaphor

    this cow
    on the other hand
    just shit on my foot


And yes, it all comes down to style. Who amongst us can ever be certain
just how much editing has taken place? Sometimes poems -- and you can ask
Leanne if you need to -- spring fully-formed from the forehead of Zeus.
(Gave him quite a headache.)

(10-17-2015, 10:22 PM)rayheinrich Wrote:  

(10-17-2015, 03:54 PM)milo Wrote:  

(10-17-2015, 08:20 PM)ellajam Wrote:  [quote='zabetha' pid='198444' dateline='1445066459']
i suppose it depends on your style.
sometimes I edit when the syllables aren't right, but I rarely "perfect" a poem..

A perfect poem is a rare beast, I doubt I'll ever write one but
since I've joined this site I've learned to at least aim for one and to sew up the gaping holes.

The definition of the word "perfect", only allows for a single perfect poem. All others, by definition, aren't.

I hereby define the poem below as the one and only perfect one:
Thereby saving all others from further grief.

    life
    is its own metaphor

    this cow
    on the other hand
    just shit on my foot


And yes, it all comes down to style. Who amongst us can ever be certain
just how much editing has taken place? Sometimes poems -- and you can ask
Leanne if you need to -- spring fully-formed from the forehead of Zeus.
(Gave him quite a headache.)

Most dictionaries I checked say about the same thing:

Quote:Full Definition of PERFECT

1
a :  being entirely without fault or defect :  flawless <a perfect diamond>
b :  satisfying all requirements :  accurate
c :  corresponding to an ideal standard or abstract concept <a perfect gentleman>
d :  faithfully reproducing the original; specifically :  letter-perfect
e :  legally valid
2
:  expert, proficient <practice makes perfect>
3
a :  pure, total
b :  lacking in no essential detail :  complete
c obsolete :  sane
d :  absolute, unequivocal <enjoys perfect happiness>
e :  of an extreme kind :  unmitigated <a perfect brat> <an act of perfect foolishness>

So, perfect doesn't have to be the one and only. I am at this moment eating the perfect breakfast, for me. I hope to have another one some day soon.

For me a poem is perfect when it whacks me in the heart, head or any other organ and I wouldn't change a word. It really doesn't matter whether it popped out whole or underwent 100 edits.

Then again, one wouldn't post one they thought was perfect, however it got there, in a workshop for ideas on how to mess with it.