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What are some the essential elements of a civilized society? What distinguishes a civilized society from savagery?

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Pretty lies; ugly lies; efficient modes of survival, desire, and understanding; and love, or at least some conservative devotion to certain people, places, objects, experiences, ideas, and feelings.
.......to give each other a hand
(11-12-2012, 06:52 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]What are some the essential elements of a civilized society? What distinguishes a civilized society from savagery?
laws that help, or/and protect the majority.
and as sj stated, a willingness to help.
(11-12-2012, 06:52 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]What are some the essential elements of a civilized society? What distinguishes a civilized society from savagery?

This:

Quote:Mild Charity's glow to us mortals below
Shows the soul from barbarity clear
Compassion will melt where this virtue is felt
And its dew is diffused in a Tear
- my beloved Byron <3

Now ask me if I think earth's is a civilized society...
Aaah, George... *swoon*... I don't care what he did to his sister Smile

I've just finished teaching Lord of the Flies to my year 11 class, and despite their tendency toward savagery on occasion, I was actually left with some hope for the future of civilisation. I think the key is, you need to want to be civilised, to consider others and to practice empathy at all times. If you set out determined that the world sucks and everyone's out to get what they can so why shouldn't you, then of course things are going to turn savage.
Property Laws

Laws to protect the weak from the strong.

So, in short LAW.
In my opinion, a civilized society is one that has no need of law. You need law only in an uncivilized society, you need protection and implementation/enforcement of order etc. in uncivilized societies.

(11-14-2012, 04:51 AM)Leanne Wrote: [ -> ]Aaah, George... *swoon*... I don't care what he did to his sister Smile

Huh? lol. No, don't tell me...I don't wanna know lol.
Exactly, Rose big hug

Truly civilised people can self-regulate without the need for external enforcement. Basic laws as guidelines, certainly, but almost all societies at present are far too over-regulated to be considered properly civilised.

And uncivilised people will break laws, regardless of penalty. We see that every day.
I would love to live in that society Rose. I mostly base my cynical comments on the belief that it only takes a few sociopaths to undermine a system without law.

@Leanne: I hope to finish a poem that deals with the heat death of stars and how Jason Mrazz is nothing like Byron. So, it's always nice to see the universe bring you references to what you're working on. I appreciate synchronicity.
@Todd & Leanne:

Sure, but if you can make up a civilized society after your own taste, why only stop halfway just because you know we can't get there from where we are right now? It's hypothetical, right? If the sky's the limit, I want to go all the way Smile.
I don't mind focusing on the high bar instead of the low. It's a more positive approach.

Smile
(11-14-2012, 05:29 AM)Rose Love Wrote: [ -> ]In my opinion, a civilized society is one that has no need of law. You need law only in an uncivilized society, you need protection and implementation/enforcement of order etc. in uncivilized societies.

(11-14-2012, 04:51 AM)Leanne Wrote: [ -> ]Aaah, George... *swoon*... I don't care what he did to his sister Smile
Huh? lol. No, don't tell me...I don't wanna know lol.
great to see you in the discussion threads rose Smile

i think yours is a great answer but the most unattainable which is a shame.
one way would be to lobotomise the population...then get rid of the laws.

what we do with those that go rogue?

so the question now is how would you attempt to attain a civilised society
there will always be some who want more than others and will stop at nothing to get it.

i thought about removing guns but more would just be made.
how about dismantling all armed forces except things like nation guard which could just be used in times of disaster.
(11-14-2012, 05:48 AM)Todd Wrote: [ -> ]I don't mind focusing on the high bar instead of the low. It's a more positive approach.

Smile

Me too.
Hmm...focusing on the positive and noticing synchronicities--hopefully you're not an escapee from the old personal development forum I used to be on Tongue
(11-14-2012, 06:06 AM)Rose Love Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2012, 05:48 AM)Todd Wrote: [ -> ]I don't mind focusing on the high bar instead of the low. It's a more positive approach.

Smile
Me too.
Hmm...focusing on the positive and noticing synchronicities--hopefully you're not an escapee from the old personal development forum I used to be on Tongue
I doubt it. I'm more into personal regression than development.
Tolerance, empathy, community (goverend by basic enforced rules), shared knowledge and power to influence the status quo. Oh and a feeling of self worth and a place to stand. So basically Hippy's and Quakers have it in the bag. Well maybe not completely.