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Abu came up with what i thought was a great idea regarding poets who aren't into workshopping their poems. Either they don't feel comfortable putting them up for reworking, or they just write because they like to, with no need of constructive feedback.
anyway; his idea was to change the miscellaneous or the for fun forum to a members showcase forum. of course we'd still like people who post there to give feedback elsewhere and join in with the site.

so...please choose one of the three options available.

i think a members showcase forum might be a good idea. though i'm expected to be in a minority on this one Big Grin
While I understand the desire for a showcase, I'm afraid I'm of the opinion that there are MILLIONS of those around, including our Facebook group if that's your inclination.

I am very reluctant to include a forum that encourages only praise. No matter how we try and sell it, there will always be those who post ONLY there and nowhere else, and how is that contributing to a workshop?
i suppose we could make it clear that posting there means they still have to leave honest feedback elsewhere, and enforce it by stopping posting privileges or making it the only one for one forum on the site.
In much the same way that a shoutbox detracts away from chat posts (ie the sewer, GD, PD etc) a showcase forum will draw posts away from workshopping forums. In forums that require feedback members can kind of 'get the message' that if they don't respond to others poems then they may find themselves unable to get much feedback themselves.

I'm afraid if a showcase forum were available this would just lead to selfish abuse by those who aren't interested in what others have to say unless it is about them.
I voted. I personally can't stand showcase forums. It won't kill me if we add one, but I think fun and miscellaneous covers that need.
Leanne's concern, and also Mark's and Todd's, can be tested, by having a 'sunset clause'. That is, it will have to be renewed after a given period has elapsed, and can be looked at to see if the doom-laden projections do materialise, and if they do, whether they outweigh any benefits -- such as attracting people, who then from simple curiosity will look at other stuff, and note that constructive criticism does not consist in saying 'Awesome' ! (except where I may be concerned.)

I would hope that it could be made plain that feed-back was expected in all areas, showcase and all. So it would, in truth, be a type of marketing, re-badging, if you will. And if I don't get my way, I shall not merely sulk, I shall punish every single one of you: I shall start posting poems! Angry
i'll get on it then, god forbid him posting any poetry Hysterical it seems that really we'll just have to do with abu doing a poem or two Sad

what we could do is create a no critique icon for people to use in the poetry forums where one has a choice.
would that be a decent compromise?
(10-09-2012, 06:02 AM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]i'll get on it then, god forbid him posting any poetry Hysterical it seems that really we'll just have to do with abu doing a poem or two Sad

what we could do is create a no critique icon for people to use in the poetry forums where one has a choice.
would that be a decent compromise?

No, it must be all above board. Obviously. I should expect nothing less. No hole in corner stuff. No,Sirree!

I actually share the site's aim, and the value of feed-back is never more degraded than when anything less than 'Super awesome amazing' is treated as a personal insult. But I have seen those who have wandered off, explaining that it was all a bit heavy and pressured. I don't see a reason to look down on them, and as long as the emphasis remains on some kind of reasoned feed-back, I cannot see any harm in renaming say Misc as a show-case or gallery. As in a gallery, people do comment, (and never seem to imagine that the person right by them is the artist). I am certain that with clever wording, it could be made attractive, while yet explaining that comments may be made, but should give some reason, or gut response. There again, the Pig seems to have been doing well without my suggestions......Wink
actually we do well because of your suggestion, they all come here for a laugh Hysterical

i'm with you on the matter abu, i hate the back patters who give nothing in the hope of getting praised and fondled.
but feel that some aren't hardy enough to take solid feedback as long as they gave feedback to others i'd be okay with it. but, and this is a big but; i can't change something like this unless it has more backing, and with this crowd, that doesn't seem likely.

i would make one point that i think was previously made.
the for fun forum is basically a showcase. so people who don't want heavy feedback should already be able to post there willy nilly
(10-09-2012, 09:44 AM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]actually we do well because of your suggestion, they all come here for a laugh Hysterical

i'm with you on the matter abu, i hate the back patters who give nothing in the hope of getting praised and fondled.
but feel that some aren't hardy enough to take solid feedback as long as they gave feedback to others i'd be okay with it. but, and this is a big but; i can't change something like this unless it has more backing, and with this crowd, that doesn't seem likely.

i would make one point that i think was previously made.
the for fun forum is basically a showcase. so people who don't want heavy feedback should already be able to post there willy nilly

I quite agree. There is no clamour for the change-- and there are too many lazy arses. Takes one....

One woman who had seemed happy and then left (name forgotten) I ran across in Another Place, and she told me is was a bit too heavy for her. And it puzzled me too, because you can hardly miss the Fun thing, and she could have just stayed there--but mainly, to me, it showed that the people here were light-hearted. She didn't really give me a satisfactory answer about that, so I was just thinking of ways to do a bit of window-dressing to ease things for the likes of her and Jill.
some of the replies in the for fun forum did sometimes forget where they were.
and i'd love it if jill and others came back and allowed to make sure it was ran with better moderation.
hell, i'd make a mod specially for there in order to remove anything that verged of critique or constructive feedback if i thought it would help. but i'm not sure it would, in many instances one mistaken post is one post too many and removing it wouldn't matter. Sad
(10-09-2012, 10:12 AM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]some of the replies in the for fun forum did sometimes forget where they were.
and i'd love it if jill and others came back and allowed to make sure it was ran with better moderation.
hell, i'd make a mod specially for there in order to remove anything that verged of critique or constructive feedback if i thought it would help. but i'm not sure it would, in many instances one mistaken post is one post too many and removing it wouldn't matter. Sad

Actually, I was just looking at Todd's quote from her last missive (Jill), and I see she spoke of writer's block, and no longer thinking of herself as a poet. I fear that therein may lie the problem. You begin by stringing some little rhymes to-gether and are quite pleased with the result. You think to take it further, and get on one of these sites. At first all goes well, but then you notice that the critique, no matter how gently put, is telling you that you are way off. You lose heart, and pack it in. Maybe that's why I stopped writing, to all intents and purposes.....Sad Nite

rowens

That's what I meant elsewhere, about a poet needing enough ego to stick to his guns. And if it turns out that his opinion is changed to the point that he now feels he was wrong, that's, for better or worse, part of communication. But if he's strong enough in his own opinions, he can say plenty about his own poems, and in feedback of others. If there was a no critique thread, that's fine, but it seems many here now wouldn't comment as much on them.
there are two forums which fit the criteria of those not wishing critique or serious feedback, here's what it says in the for fun forum;

Feel free to join in any games and challenges. Try to keep banter to a minimum in these threads and follow the rules. Banter and lighthearted responses are encouraged in all other threads. No critique is required.

here's what it says in miscellaneous forum;

For poetry of all kinds including spoken word, visual response (poems with pictures), experimental, fusion or anything for which the poet does not require critique. Comments may, however, include critique. Comments may also be simple appreciation, emotional responses, light banter or verse. Moderators may step in if comments deviate too far from the original post* and threads may be moved to a discussion forum at that point. Please heed all moderator suggestions or warnings.

no site can cater for all poets but we do and will continue to try and do so. first and foremost we're a workshop, now and again we'll forget what forum we're in and give in depth feedback in mild or for fun. mistakes are inevitable.

i don't have the "ego" i use common sense. if i wanted to stick to my guns and not get honest feedback i'd have started a back patting poetry forum and the membership would be a million Big Grin ego doesn't help us stick to our guns. if anything ego stops us from seeing the value of feedback. choice and discernment are the things we need to use. ego's are deaf and that is more of a hindrance than a help Wink

rowens

I think of ego in the sense of selfhood. Not arrogance. That someone should be able to listen to feedback, and either change their mind or stick to what they feel should remain. But either way, not simply leave the site because they can't handle the criticism.
What about making another thread prefix (say [showcase]) that could be used in Miscellaneous to indicate that the thread was not intended to elicit feedback?
(10-10-2012, 07:52 AM)rowens Wrote: [ -> ]I think of ego in the sense of selfhood. Not arrogance. That someone should be able to listen to feedback, and either change their mind or stick to what they feel should remain. But either way, not simply leave the site because they can't handle the criticism.
in that sense i definitely agree.

(10-10-2012, 09:07 AM)Mark Wrote: [ -> ]What about making another thread prefix (say [showcase]) that could be used in Miscellaneous to indicate that the thread was not intended to elicit feedback?
i said an icon but yeah, the only problem is that many would simply use it to littler the site and piss off without leaving any feedback elsewhere. i think we have to bring a laughing clairvoyant in and strike a happy medium Blush
Leanne wrote: I am very reluctant to include a forum that encourages only praise

I agree. for showcasing why not use your own blog? (Like I do. ;-) )tongueincheek
Precisely Smile
yeah but they can still add to the rest of the forum area like discussion etc. in general the for fun forum has much more than one purpose.

feel free to put your blog url in your sig Wink
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