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first off, should he have been granted it. if you know nothing about assange a quick google will enlighten you.

after being under house arrest pending extradition for alleged sexual charges he was told he will be sent to sweden to face them. after this he asked for political asylum of the equadorian embassy on the grounds that america want to to extradite him there and that he won't get a fair trial.

the embassy granted him asylum and the uk has said it has a legal right to enter the embassy under law and arrest assange.

so a few questions arise.

should he have been granted asylum in the first place?
how will he be able to leave the embassy without being arrested?
will the uk enter the embassy to arrest him?
isn't him being stuck in the embassy a bit like him being stuck in prison.?
does anyone actually care if he got asylum or not?

my view, the eduadorians are stating that their embassy is hallowed ground, one way round this would be to close their embassy down and send them home, of course that would leave assange free to arrest. afterwards we can tell them we're sorry and they can have their embassy back. i'd personally just leave the prick in the embassy and let them feed and cloth him for the next 30 or so years till he dies. sooner or later they'll get sick of him and do to him what they do to some of their own people, at present equador are having fun using him as a pawn, i can't see it lasting.
YES to the first question

but the charges are suspect in the extreme. The police dismissed them at the time, he had been questioned and and given back his passport to let him leave the country. it was only when the two women got together weeks afterwards and began talking about how the sex was with him that they decided it could be something maybe! and were so not traumatized when they went together to the police to ask and discribe what was done in bed! not to report, it was later they were both convinced buy one to cry rape

remember this was two women who were comparing notes on how he was in bed.
Not at all how a women who has be violated acts.
both had gone after him because he was "someone' and in fact are nothing but two trollops who might as well have paid him for a quick fuck,, just because he never used a condom ? hey! They let him.. he was a trophy and he was putting himself in just as much danger.
He was the fool not a rapist . he had no need to rape it seems


the embassy granted him asylum and the uk has said it has a legal right to enter the embassy under law and arrest assange.


that is an act of war how many Brits In equador will be immediately be locked up in camps as possible spies.. will the UK government go that far to kiss American arse!. well this time most aussies will tell you to go it alone. We no longer feel the pull to support mother England and more and more the USA are looking like bullies and all out dictators..

prick he might be. But he is outing the dirty things they want to keep hidden. And its not all kept secret for our benefits.. it’s to look after their own agendas, and they think anyone can be bought . ---hell no..
its time for open government going into the next century .. and I hope by 2112 there is more clarity. Billy. Don’t always believe what they tell you. Dig and find out from every source you can.

Geoffrey Robinson his lawyer is one of the smartest men on this planet and would not be there if he thought for a second it was just about sex. He is there to stop an injustice on the world stage for everyone .. its got sweet FA to do with sex.

Here he is far from a fool or a tool
http://www.geoffreyrobertson.com/

listen with ears pricked up everytime the USA says we are not going to be involved with sweaden and englands dealings with him.. they say it all the time.. they never say outright that if he is taken to sweaden "we will not at anytime try to get him arrested and taken to america"
belive it yes they are going to take him. and the british govement knows it, and will toss him out to keep them happy. and the fuckers want to get marines up our top end too looking at china! hell no! give me china any day at least they show respect , and we live in the same clean waters.

now I want to go smack a yank!!

PS you might enjoy this part

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...ority.html

as I said he's a very bright man..
Yes to everything Bronte said (thank god you're back, Joan!)

How DARE the UK threaten the sovereignty of another nation? How DARE the UK question the internationally recognised and protected right to political asylum? How DARE the UK pretend that it's "just doing its job", when the whole world knows exactly what will happen when/if Assange gets to Sweden? Sweden has declined to interview Assange on British soil, has not followed due process to determine whether he should even stand trial and has cobbled together a case that is spurious at best in order to pander to the bully boys in red, white and blue. If Assange had not been Assange and this "crime" had been committed, an entirely different set of processes would have been followed which probably would have ended up in the matter being deemed utterly frivolous.

Do I think Assange is a nice man who is completely innocent of any wrongdoing ever in his entire life? No. He's a journalist, for starters. However, it's not possible to ignore the bigger agenda and I'm disgusted with the Australian government, which has offered more support to a bunch of drug smugglers caught in Bali than to a man who faces quite serious penalties if the USA ever gets his hands on him, even though he has not actually broken a US law. One cannot be charged with treason against a nation of which one is not a citizen.

By even suggesting that it's ok to invade the sovereign territory of another nation -- which is what an embassy is -- Britain is making mockery of the right to political asylum as ratified by the Geneva Convention. Ecuador absolutely has the right to decide that under humanitarian grounds it is necessary to aid a man who has sought their protection. The UK has protected those who sought political asylum in the past, despite opposition from their home nations and despite pending "criminal" charges.

The embassy IS hallowed ground, or at least sovereign territory that DOES NOT BELONG TO THE UK. They have no jurisdiction and "invading" the embassy would indeed be an act of war, with the UK (and the US) not having that lovely shield of "liberator" to protect them this time. They would be the aggressors, and if we wanted to look at it in light of international agreements made post-9/11, we'd pretty much be obliged to declare war on the UK on behalf of Ecuador.

So butt the fuck out for a change, England.
If the charge is rape then political asylum seems wrong.Rape is not a political crime it is a violent crime and a rapist should be offered no quarter.If the charge is espionage that's another matter.....can he be tried in absentia on the rape?
The charge is "minor rape" -- what the hell is that, I ask? It was initially examined as "sexual assault" and the finding was that there was no charge to answer, however the case was "reopened" at the urging of a new prosecutor whose motives are clearly political.
(08-18-2012, 07:33 AM)raymond trevitt Wrote: [ -> ]If the charge is rape then political asylum seems wrong.Rape is not a political crime it is a violent crime and a rapist should be offered no quarter.If the charge is espionage that's another matter.....can he be tried in absentia on the rape?

It is morally wrong and insulting for every real rape victim for this charge to be used for a political ploy, I find it disgusting.

On the news today the Australian embassy in the US has been tracking documents for the last 18 months that prove it is true that they are trying their dam best to get him: It is a reflection on out foreign minister that he flat out lied to us, that we were assured this was not the case. It is a reflection on the American people that their government think they are all so dumb that they will put the American way before truth and justice . personally the man comes across as aragant and unlikeable to most, but that can’t be a factor. Things MUST change I tell you no matter what govements agree on. in the end if the people dont like it they will be toppled. this is happening world wide.
Furthermore, under the Geneva Convention everyone has the right to a fair trial. This man has already been convicted by faceless men in governments who have reason to be concerned by his fight for true freedom of information. The charge is irrelevant. The mechanism is so profoundly flawed that there is no chance of fairness, impartiality or justice.
(08-18-2012, 06:13 AM)Leanne Wrote: [ -> ]Yes to everything Bronte said (thank god you're back, Joan!)

How DARE the UK threaten the sovereignty of another nation? How DARE the UK question the internationally recognised and protected right to political asylum? How DARE the UK pretend that it's "just doing its job", when the whole world knows exactly what will happen when/if Assange gets to Sweden? Sweden has declined to interview Assange on British soil, has not followed due process to determine whether he should even stand trial and has cobbled together a case that is spurious at best in order to pander to the bully boys in red, white and blue. If Assange had not been Assange and this "crime" had been committed, an entirely different set of processes would have been followed which probably would have ended up in the matter being deemed utterly frivolous.

Do I think Assange is a nice man who is completely innocent of any wrongdoing ever in his entire life? No. He's a journalist, for starters. However, it's not possible to ignore the bigger agenda and I'm disgusted with the Australian government, which has offered more support to a bunch of drug smugglers caught in Bali than to a man who faces quite serious penalties if the USA ever gets his hands on him, even though he has not actually broken a US law. One cannot be charged with treason against a nation of which one is not a citizen.

By even suggesting that it's ok to invade the sovereign territory of another nation -- which is what an embassy is -- Britain is making mockery of the right to political asylum as ratified by the Geneva Convention. Ecuador absolutely has the right to decide that under humanitarian grounds it is necessary to aid a man who has sought their protection. The UK has protected those who sought political asylum in the past, despite opposition from their home nations and despite pending "criminal" charges.

The embassy IS hallowed ground, or at least sovereign territory that DOES NOT BELONG TO THE UK. They have no jurisdiction and "invading" the embassy would indeed be an act of war, with the UK (and the US) not having that lovely shield of "liberator" to protect them this time. They would be the aggressors, and if we wanted to look at it in light of international agreements made post-9/11, we'd pretty much be obliged to declare war on the UK on behalf of Ecuador.

So butt the fuck out for a change, England.

lol well they would not have our SAS this time if it happens so that can march up the main road waveing a flag saying " we are come" god damn it did they think we never knew where our men had gone. I would send in a chopper pull him up on a harness and drop him off at sea the pilot would need to dump it and climb aboard.. I would advise they steal the chopper as they are a bit pricy .. this will save the Brits 75000 pounds a day. And save face. It’s the American thing to do.. I see it all the time in movies..

glad to be back. ribs all healed, so over doctors

(08-18-2012, 08:49 AM)Leanne Wrote: [ -> ]The charge is "minor rape" -- what the hell is that, I ask? It was initially examined as "sexual assault" and the finding was that there was no charge to answer, however the case was "reopened" at the urging of a new prosecutor whose motives are clearly political.

maybe the two tarts were saying they were underage as well

(08-18-2012, 08:49 AM)Leanne Wrote: [ -> ]The charge is "minor rape" -- what the hell is that, I ask? It was initially examined as "sexual assault" and the finding was that there was no charge to answer, however the case was "reopened" at the urging of a new prosecutor whose motives are clearly political.


also the women then stayed a 2nd night with him and again had sex.. this was exposed 18 months ago and is totaly being ignored.
point one, the embassy is hallowed groun...that's true but only as far it's an embassy, if asked to leave the country the Ecuadorian muist go under the same law that allows them to call the embassy their own land.

as to assange being a journalist, i say he maybe now but he wasn't then. then he was just a leech who wanted to make fame and fortune on the back of others. he;s already stated he make a speech outside the embassy knowing that if he does he'll be arrested.

to the sex charges, he wasn't accused of not wearing a condom. he was accused of breaking the one he was wearing and removeing one he was wearing. in Sweden that's a crime. that the women changed their minds or colluded is for the swedish courts to decide.


the uk nor any other countries have to declare honesty or what their actions will be, they shall by international law deemed to innocent of subterfuge untill a crime has been committed. up to now assange is the only one deemed to broken any laws.

to say assange is as worthy of political asylum as those who genuinely are and that he hasn't been treated as fair as any other person waiting extradition doesn't hold water, if the uk truly wanted to hand him or anyone over, they wouldn't have given him such lax bail conditions. again it's an assange gimmick.

everyone except assange has a right to fair a trial, he has the right not to face, or even have any type of trial.

Quote:Billy. Don’t always believe what they tell you. Dig and find out from every source you can.
please don't assume i'm a moron, despite what i type here.

assange has allowed a soldier to rot in jail for the probable remains of his natural life. he promised to pay manning bills but wiki actually only paid 15 000, assange has used the wiki site to pay for his own defense yet let manning go to hell in a hand cart.

if his own co workers said he's a cunt then we have to assume him being a cunt is a possibility
we also have to assume he's one of the lying kind.

i'm happy him staying at the embassy till he dies.

political asylum is integral to any civilised societies. twats like the equadorians will always use it to fit their own agendas and and cunts like assange will always prevail of such acts and then cry as they tire of him and put a bullet in the back of his head, the best human rights actions is something that has never featured in the equadorian's idea of fair play.

most of assanges followers were pirates, they almost worshipped him but now they look on him as a joke who profiteered off sharing community.

assange is a worm who i'd gladly step on and squash Wink
Assange has been an award winning journalist, editor and political activist since at least the early 90s. Those credentials are not difficult to find -- plus, some of us actually knew of him before he became the new Salman Rushdie.

It's difficult to pay for anything when the US flexes its muscle to have accounts frozen and forbid access to any money. Sure, the guy's most likely a prick. He's arrogant and quite self-righteous. Nonetheless, the opposing agenda is so transparent that it would be laughable if lives were not being adversely affected.

This is no longer about whether Assange is a nice bloke. It's about the way that international governments collude to keep their citizens ignorant, and the lengths they will go to in order to silence any dissent. If Julian Assange had not had access to the internet, I'm certain he would have been quietly "disposed of" long ago.

PS. Ecuador
and polanski was an award winning director who raped an underaged girl and sought asylum somewhere else....I'm not discussing degrees of rape, that in and of itself seems ludicrous...just pointing out that a sex crime does not warrant political asylum....and IF THAT IS THE ONLY CHARGE against him then asylum seems wrong
Raymond... honestly, if the charge were less spurious I'd be the first one to agree. If Assange was nothing more than some bloke trying to avoid just penalty, then yes -- but the US was hunting his head well before these charges were laid (then dismissed, then re-laid if such a word exists) and there is no such thing as coincidence.
I actually like that the guy exposed a bunch of behind the scenes shit. but if the US or the UK wants to try him on rape charges or sexual assault.then so be it,this is a case of if it turns into a political witch hunt the whole world is already watching. While nothing surprises me it would seem a political miscalculation to extradite the guy on the sex charge and THEN bring up espionage or whatever....if the US truly believes he committed a crime against the country then go after him for that.....anything else wouldn't and shouldn't be tolerated by the people.

by extension....the fact that polanski ran from the rape charge only served to convince many of his guilt....does assange run that risk by running from the rape charge
(08-18-2012, 11:44 AM)Leanne Wrote: [ -> ]Assange has been an award winning journalist, editor and political activist since at least the early 90s. Those credentials are not difficult to find -- plus, some of us actually knew of him before he became the new Salman Rushdie.
you mean the one award ion 2009 because before that he was a no one who helped start wikileaks which though had many leaked docs only really had a few that were of any use, he didn't do any investigative journalism, he just claimed the glory for people who were whistleblowers. thats all he's ever done. pre 1995 he was a criminal who had been charged with hacking (i think that was 1995) post 1995 to 2006 he did nothing of an investigative nature apart form hacking a few military sites. so sorry but back in the day he was just a low life oik. most of his awards are post wikileaks scandel given by bleeding heart liberals.

Quote:It's difficult to pay for anything when the US flexes its muscle to have accounts frozen and forbid access to any money. Sure, the guy's most likely a prick. He's arrogant and quite self-righteous. Nonetheless, the opposing agenda is so transparent that it would be laughable if lives were not being adversely affected.
most of the world really. it's just the fact that the usa is able to use the economic sanctions that they get the blame, many other counties would have simply dispatched him if they had the chance. at the end of the day assange is using the eqidoriun embassy because he's scared of being called a sexual molester, if it's proved to be so his travel status will be vastly different than if he wasn't.

Quote:This is no longer about whether Assange is a nice bloke. It's about the way that international governments collude to keep their citizens ignorant, and the lengths they will go to in order to silence any dissent. If Julian Assange had not had access to the internet, I'm certain he would have been quietly "disposed of" long ago.

it's never been about that. and assange has made it that way, he's playing the system. he's being charged with a crime and he won't step up to the plate, that's just the sex allegations...then we have him throwing manning to wolves where again he refuses to act. i can't see what's wrong with the yanks wanting his arse.were it harry bloggs or joan camitney twathead, everyone would have cried hang them but assange played the fiddle mountain man with 35 fingers. i did it all for freedom...well sorry meat head but probably caused people to die or suffer because of your big ego. now you're scared. the real truth of the matter is the usa probably couldn't give a toss about him, they're happier that i am that he's going to spend the rest of life in a small office or two. it's much cheaper than a trial, than extradition, than the death squad julienne tried to tell us were going to kill him. sorry but at the end of the day, him claiming asylum has nothing to do with his political beliefs, he doesn't have any, he only has assange beliefs. he doesn't and couldn't give a fuck if everyone dies, just so long as he can make money out of it and be famous.
Quote:PS. Ecuador

i see what you did thar. eduadore eqidore like assange it doesn't overly upset me as long i get noticed Wink

(08-18-2012, 11:44 AM)Leanne Wrote: [ -> ]plus, some of us actually knew of him before he became the new Salman Rushdie.
he never became the next salman rushdie. rushdie gave his book up know he would be on a hit list.

assange wanted to be on a hit list and won't stop pushing the fact down our throats.

that "plus some of us" remark is uncalled for. unless of course you went to school with him or he's a close friend. i remember the hacking scandal back in 95 and by that time i not only know but can guarantee you he was no journalist nor at that time had won any awards for it. by all means attack what i'm saying, i love it when you do, but don't presume i haven't read up or seen or missed something. i was pretty big back in the day and even them people were asking how such a genius got caught for so many offences and how come he got such a light sentence, word was that he grassed or informed on others whose group he was part of. assange isn't fit to lick rushdie's boots nor is assanges immunity in any way comparable top rushdies.

ps, i used to meet with rushdie and some of his researchers at a catholic church in hulme manchester and he was a man with a cause other than fame. at the time he and another activist were in hiding. i used to be a drinking buddy of two of the priest and they co opted a few people in to do some driving for them. we weren't baby sitters or minders or anything near so exotic. we'd just do a bit of driving over a period of about two months. but back to assange. he's a drama queen who likes to shout "chase me, chase" it isn't about any world government, not the uk, not the usa, not australia or sweden or eckwidor, it's about assange, he needs to man up, get his little slap on the wrist of not and fuck off to equasore where he can live his life out fucking all the prostitutes he can find.

one more thought. at last we have a discussion Big Grin big hugbig hugbig hug
I find it mind boggling that so many people will openly support pirate sites, demand freedom of information, insist on their right to transparent governance and still disregard the fundamental issue here, which is censorship of the most appalling kind.

Then again:
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Assange is not a nice man. I don't like him. I don't like hackers much but I have a reasonable amount of respect for some of his reasons. I despise pirates, but then I understand a number of their reasons. However, pirates, hackers, wikileaks and indecisive Swedish women pale into insignificance beside these two things:

1. Ecuador is a sovereign nation. The British people would be pretty fucking upset if Ecuador threatened to invade the British Embassy in Quito.

2. The only significant harm that resulted from any Wikileaks material was to the reputation of governments. If the governments are acting in ways so contrary to the beliefs of their people and their mandates as elected representatives, they should be exposed. We are grown-ups. Governments do not have the right to decide what we're mature enough to deal with. Censorship is a disease.
BIlly

lol Rushdie’s sister and me don’t get on, I drive her nuts, and she hates me with a vengeance. Lol

I take exception to the derogatory way the word whistle blower is bandied about. Think about who they are, people who have the guts to stand up and tell when everyone around them are taking kickbacks or worse. We had to do it once, went though weeks of interrogations police lawyers the whole works it is all our place to stop others destroying lives because of greed. Stoping someone from stealing every last cent you own is not being a maggoty shit head. Keeping out of it and feeling smug that it was none of your doing is being a maggoty shit head .

As for letting the guy rot in an American prison.. that’s a laugh, what can he say that will get him out. You know how the yanks work.. they make you admit you are guilty so you only spend 10 years instead of 20 behind bars, and by their laws once you say you are guilty all the evidence that can prove otherwise can’t be used to get you out. They don’t care, they really don’t give a shit as long as the prisons are full and the work is done at cheaper rates than they get from illegal immigrants .
Slavey is alive and doing well over there. And you have to pay $50 or more a day for your food and bed while you are locked up . it cripples the families. The guy was a soldier he was doing time already and his nuts were already lost, he was far from a free man.

Fucking right!!


Did you see Malcolm Frazer the other morning. Spoke about finding out the real truth of why we were dragged into a war. Why the people who knew there were no WMD’s were ignored, why Howard who was in NY at 911 and was too emotionally involved at the time to make that decision, why one man, can say we are going to war and no one can stop it-- without taking it to the house first. I really do hope it is looked into. but I dare say Abbot will have a hissy fit..

Quote:Assange is not a nice man. I don't like him. I don't like hackers much but I have a reasonable amount of respect for some of his reasons. I despise pirates, but then I understand a number of their reasons. However, pirates, hackers, wikileaks and indecisive Swedish women pale into insignificance beside these two things:

1. Ecuador is a sovereign nation. The British people would be pretty fucking upset if Ecuador threatened to invade the British Embassy in Quito.

2. The only significant harm that resulted from any Wikileaks material was to the reputation of governments. If the governments are acting in ways so contrary to the beliefs of their people and their mandates as elected representatives, they should be exposed. We are grown-ups. Governments do not have the right to decide what we're mature enough to deal with. Censorship is a disease.
(08-18-2012, 03:38 PM)Leanne Wrote: [ -> ]I find it mind boggling that so many people will openly support pirate sites, demand freedom of information, insist on their right to transparent governance and still disregard the fundamental issue here, which is censorship of the most appalling kind.
no it isn't and it has nothing at all to do with censorship. he allegedly committed a crime and is trying to evade going to court. piracy is a whole different thing than political asylum but that's okay, i'll roll with it. piracy has nothing to do with freedom of speech. piracy has nothing to do with transparent governance, and finally the people you righteously shout down are all allegedly rolled up in the form of julianna assange, a self professed pirate. a pirate many real pirates would decry as the biggest cunt on the planet. i still can't find where he was an acclaimed early 90's investigative journalist btw, piracy is basically all about copyright laws and how they have been manufactured to make media moguls richer and pirates often support indie stars and artists who ask people to pay what they can or nominal fees. piracy is about watching a film that you've already seen or one you haven't and going to the movies to see it on the big screen if you like, piracy is about sharing because the fuckin price of a music cd is 20 fuckin dollars us of wich 50 cents gooes to the artist if that. piracy has nothing to do with what assange is going throuigh he just claims to be a pirate. piracy...everyone does it, every time you play that cd you got from the market or read a poem by anne sexton on line, thats what piracy is, what it is not is making cd.s from downloads and selling them, thats called theft, he sold what he download, to the highest bidder. he was caught on tape doing so.

Then again:
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nice and clever, but says nothing. a giimmick that states. "what the fuck am i talking about" on the part of the one who posts it, it's a bit like attacking someones grammar cos there's 'cos they got caught talking through their arse Hysterical

Quote:Assange is not a nice man. I don't like him. I don't like hackers much but I have a reasonable amount of respect for some of his reasons. I despise pirates, but then I understand a number of their reasons. However, pirates, hackers, wikileaks and indecisive Swedish women pale into insignificance beside these two things:
you have know idea what his reason were?

Quote:1. Ecuador is a sovereign nation. The British people would be pretty fucking upset if Ecuador threatened to invade the British Embassy in Quito.

2. The only significant harm that resulted from any Wikileaks material was to the reputation of governments. If the governments are acting in ways so contrary to the beliefs of their people and their mandates as elected representatives, they should be exposed. We are grown-ups. Governments do not have the right to decide what we're mature enough to deal with. Censorship is a disease.
yes to the 1st and it's obvious the embassy will not be raided, but you see where this is going, assange asks for asylum, the uk try leaning on the embassy as any state whose about to lose a non political prisoner would. (it's called detante) and the shout goes out it's persecution. give me a fuckin break. the uk don't have to nor do they want too raid any embassy, the embassy in question consists of a few rooms in a corner of some building. the rest of the building is non embassy and should assange pop in to a lift he will be legally arrested. so of course they wont raid the place. you don't know is the answer to the 2nd. if there were no privacy or top secret or your eyes only shit, no government could function or do global business. secrecy is a fact of life, and if any one thinks they could then they're wearing big fat heavy blinkers. there would be no private email, no private postal system and no private telephone numbers to mention just a few. i love people who decry piracy then read some poem on the net by a living poet or one whose not dead by 70 years yet. you only have to look at how many times an accredited poem is banded about the web under the misapprehension it's all okay and legal because it's educational "in brackets" well sorry but it isn't legal and if you read them you're a pirate. you may only show a reasonable portion or the whole poem if you can show it's for an educational purpose. saying it's a poetry forum is not enough. pirates never claim shit as their own, assange claimed the documents and said to one newspaper, if you publish these leak i'll sue you for copyright violation. don't believe what they say....read up on it....i did many many times. the guys a fucking leech who should be shot. he had ample opportunity to release them anon but no, julieanna had an ego to boost and bank account to fill, he left the poor old whistleblowing soldier to rot. he's not a pirate, he's a thief of the highest order. he inspires robots, people who can't think for themselves. one guy on here actually stated that assange was his hero. so what awards did he get pre 2005?
i don't think the "im a big cunt award" was out and about at the time.

(08-18-2012, 04:56 PM)Bronte Wrote: [ -> ]I take exception to the derogatory way the word whistle blower is bandied about.
good for you, what other words would you like me to ban ?

Quote:Think about who they are, people who have the guts to stand up and tell when everyone around them are taking kickbacks or worse.
yes, they're call whistle-blowers, it isn't derogatory, it means what it says on the label, they blow the whistle on alleged bad people and and alledged bad practices.

Quote:We had to do it once, went though weeks of interrogations police lawyers the whole works
yes i remember that me and rushdies sister were there at the time it happened Wink

Quote:it is all our place to stop others destroying lives because of greed. Stoping someone from stealing every last cent you own is not being a maggoty shit head. Keeping out of it and feeling smug that it was none of your doing is being a maggoty shit head .
i agree ten thousand percent with you bronte. what assange did had nothing to do with that. he allowed many unredacted file and there were a shit load of them to change hands. african nations were specially hard hit after certain ones were printed. have you seen assanges tv show, well in it he's bent over while russia shaft him so far up the ass his grimmace looks like a smile Hysterical he allowed captain mannering to get a worse shafting from the USA. honourable men commit honourable acts. maybe the soldier did the deed for what he thought was a good reason and if that were the case then i commend him although i think him foolish for doing ity in such a way. assange has been paid for many of those files even before the usa said they'd want to chat with him (he'd previously argued price lists for certain items) so is assnge worse than a pirate yes, he's worse than pirates and much more, he feeds off the poor whistleblowers the name of which irks you a bit. he feeds and then runs away. even his own people called him a despicable person who was just in it for the money.

Quote:As for letting the guy rot in an American prison.. that’s a laugh, what can he say that will get him out. You know how the yanks work..
i don't know how any gov work but i'm sure if sweden extradited him they'd be a shit load of crap hitting fans everywhere.

Quote:they make you admit you are guilty so you only spend 10 years instead of 20 behind bars, and by their laws once you say you are guilty all the evidence that can prove otherwise
and this was aired where, on L.A Law?

Quote: They don’t care, they really don’t give a shit as long as the prisons are full and the work is done at cheaper rates than they get from illegal immigrants .
what has that got to do with assange

Quote: Slavey is alive and doing well over there. And you have to pay $50 or more a day for your food and bed while you are locked up . it cripples the families. The guy was a soldier he was doing time already and his nuts were already lost, he was far from a free man.
and who told you this? (though some forms of slavery are alive and kicking all over the world) are you saying if you go too prison in America and have no money you starve to death ?

Fucking right!!


Quote: Did you see Malcolm Frazer the other morning. Spoke about finding out the real truth of why we were dragged into a war. Why the people who knew there were no WMD’s were ignored, why Howard who was in NY at 911 and was too emotionally involved at the time to make that decision, why one man, can say we are going to war and no one can stop it-- without taking it to the house first. I really do hope it is looked into. but I dare say Abbot will have a hissy fit..
what does that have to do with assange, ?

Quote:Censorship is a disease.
yes it is, but sometimes it's the better of two evils.

the leaks that assange made millions off has nothing to do with censorship. i can't be bothered digging up silly pics off google but people through apples through a hoop and catch oranges
millions! I dont think so he can't even pay his laywers, but lucky for him he has ones who are looking out for us all.

never mind sweetums history will show your grandkids how missguided grandpappy was!

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yep millions and it's documented public knowledge most of it has gone on his defense fighting the extradition. lets not forget the money he got from a deal he reneged on as well. he lived a jet setters life style all paid for by wiki leaks subscriptions. i suppose he doesn't need money know though. history won'y care anythinmg about assange, he's only in the media now because he got asylum, he has to threaten us with speaches in order to get his dose of limelight now and even that's wearing thin. manning will be more remember than assange ever will. so will bubble gum and chuck norris ;0
interesting that the cops did try and storm up the back stairs an the supporters saw them off.. the mouse that roared,, lol
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