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And by "nigh", I mean they think the world will end within their lifetime. Meanwhile, 1 in 10 think it will happen in 2012, due to the Mayan calendar myth. (remember the paranoia over Y2K?)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/0...XH20120501

I find this obsession with the apocalypse a bit surprising. Have things really gotten that bleak? Is it because we're experiencing a lot of natural calamities, coupled with the economic crisis. Has it ratcheted up world paranoia somehow?

Personally I don't think the world is going to end any time within our lifetimes (barring an unforeseen mega-asteroid collision or something). But perhaps you guys are more cynical than I Smile
(05-04-2012, 11:14 AM)addy Wrote: [ -> ]And by "nigh", I mean they think the world will end within their lifetime. Meanwhile, 1 in 10 think it will happen in 2012, due to the Mayan calendar myth. (remember the paranoia over Y2K?)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/0...XH20120501

I find this obsession with the apocalypse a bit surprising. Have things really gotten that bleak? Is it because we're experiencing a lot of natural calamities, coupled with the economic crisis. Has it ratcheted up world paranoia somehow?

Personally I don't think the world is going to end any time within our lifetimes (barring an unforeseen mega-asteroid collision or something). But perhaps you guys are more cynical than I Smile
i think the end of the world as we know it is possible in the next 100 years or so. not from natural disaster but from wars. it wont be long before we all armed for bear, someone is bound to do the deed, i think the dead leader of n korea if still alive when they had the bomb, may have been such a person Sad

we're all doomed i tell you
I've been hearing about the end of time for as long as I can remember. I used to get drug to a little church in the country by my parents twice a week and it was the favorite subject of the entire ministry there.

Evangelical Christians apply a lot of power to the 'mark of the beast' and to the nation of Israel with direct relation to the end of time- when Jesus comes to rescue and glorify them. Once I heard that the governments of the world would put a chip into every persons right hand that would be scanned like a credit card and ID all in one. (This is supposed to be the equivalent of taking the 'mark'.)

Then it was the hole in the ozone layer that would eventually burn us all alive. When global warming was a hot topic, my friends and family said, 'we knew it all along.' :There is no smiley for that expression:

I see the tabloids always pedal Nostradamus' predictions real or embellished. I think it is a given that people concern themselves with thoughts of the end-- much like they think of their own end. It isn't a new thing.

For thousands of years of recorded history, prophets of all religions have always sought to predict the end of the world. And why? Because seers were revered by all. They still are today- well at least by those that believe in such things. The masses will always look for signs of the times.
i don't know if it's nigh,but it's definitely downhill
(05-04-2012, 11:33 AM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]i don't know if it's nigh,but it's definitely downhill

Agreed.
LOL Hysterical

Hmm, didn't consider a WWIII scenario though. That actually seems possible. Any bets which countries will be having the throwdown? Smile

This same topic was brought up on CNN by that Cafferty guy (just saw it now)... some of the online commenters think the Mayan thing is hogwash, of course; but a few are saying that world collapse is logically inevitable because the way humanity consumes resources is unsustainable, which I guess isn't a crazy thing to think.
usa--china,if any,but everything will fall apart all by itself
Will the world come to an end? The world I grew up in already has. It disappeared 40 years ago.

I agree with Mark. There is always someone predicting the end of the world. Although the Hal Lindseys of the world use such things as the book of Revelation from the Bible to predict the end of times, all indication are that it was talking about events happening at the moment it was written, as it even references Paul when talking about the false Churches. You cannot even find most of what people attribute to Revelation because most of it is speculation from Lindsey's book. The Mayan calendar is just stupid. The Mayan's like many civilizations (see Hinduism) believed that things were circular, which is mainly an extrapolation from the cyclic nature of the year and crop growing. In that sense you could say the world ends every winter. There have been end of the world prediction as far back as writing, which would be the Sumerian cuneiform circa 4000 BCE although that is from stories that must date even further back. even if a nut job did get a nuke, the first world countries would make a deep hole in the ground where he was before they would stand by and let someone wipe out the entire race. Most assuredly the world will end at some point, but the odds are that it will not be anytime soon. Thinking that it will, is more an indication of our overblown sense of self importance, rather than anything related to reality. Obsession with oneself, makes a person quite gullible. I know because I use to play psychic at new age fairs, and with a few leading questions people would tell me everything I needed to know to "predict" their future. I was regarded as quite an amazing psychic, and usually had a line of people waiting to give me their money! As Barnum said...

Dale
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I say round up those 1-in-7 people, stage an apocalypse and let them fight it out... on reality tv of course.
to addy's question of wwIII and will it happen or who would start it.

the main contenters are iran israel or pakistan, n korea would go to the top of the list once they sort their nuke program out. israel would be my prime suspect as a trigger. it would all depend on china and russia, if they blitzed israel which is possible; would the usa retaliate. if we look at africa, many countries there are already deep in shit death wise. oil won't last for ever because people will eventually move on to alternative energy, those who didn't create another infrastrure to make cash (like dubai) will go back to being as impoverished as they were 80 years ago. once that happens it's anybodies guess. international commerce (oil) is the glue that holds everything together. once no ones dependent on it it will cease being a cash crop. and the west will cease having friends in the middle east.
there's supposed to be some truth to leanne's aside. though i can't remember what it was. it's the most amusing scenario Big Grin. the west as strong as they think they can't stop all acts of terror. nukes are more prolific than ever and old nukes even more so. while newyork wasn't nuked somewhere could be in the future. n korea in 10 20 years time will have nukes. pakistan could go apeshit and do india the possibilities are boundless.
I call bullshit.

Don't get me wrong, I'm quite sure that many people claim to believe the end of the world is nigh but people say lots of things without meaning them, particularly when they're asked stupid questions by time-wasting pollsters. What would be more revealing would be how many people have sold their houses, cashed in their retirement funds, told their bosses to fuck their lousy jobs and booked themselves one way tickets to Waikīki? I bet the answer to that question would be a hell of a lot smaller than 1 in 7.
Believe is an awfully stretchy word, and facts don't give a damn about opinion polls.

Billy,

You're ignoring the fact that most people want to live. The chances of someone getting control of enough nukes to wipe humankind off the planet and actually being allowed to use them in such a way to commit planetary suicide are fairly remote. Even someone like Hitler only wanted to conquer the world, not destroy it. That a suicidal megalomaniac and ability to wipe out the human race will coincide is pretty remote. For the world to end, and we really mean humans end, there would probably need to be a mass extinction event such as a large rock hitting the earth (remote), or a worldwide plague that has 100% kill rate (also remote), or some unknown biological process that enters into run away mode and wipes out all the breathable air (possible, but would take much more time than a year). Most likely is a large gamma ray burst close by. It's possible, but I doubt the Mayans could have predicted it. However, I am willing to take bets on the occurrence. What kind of odds are you giving. I'll put a million on it not happening, and give a hundred to 1 odds. Smile

Dale
(05-06-2012, 07:31 AM)Erthona Wrote: [ -> ]Believe is an awfully stretchy word, and facts don't give a damn about opinion polls.

Billy,

You're ignoring the fact that most people want to live. The chances of someone getting control of enough nukes to wipe humankind off the planet and actually being allowed to use them in such a way to commit planetary suicide are fairly remote. Even someone like Hitler only wanted to conquer the world, not destroy it. That a suicidal megalomaniac and ability to wipe out the human race will coincide is pretty remote. For the world to end, and we really mean humans end, there would probably need to be a mass extinction event such as a large rock hitting the earth (remote), or a worldwide plague that has 100% kill rate (also remote), or some unknown biological process that enters into run away mode and wipes out all the breathable air (possible, but would take much more time than a year). Most likely is a large gamma ray burst close by. It's possible, but I doubt the Mayans could have predicted it. However, I am willing to take bets on the occurrence. What kind of odds are you giving. I'll put a million on it not happening, and give a hundred to 1 odds. Smile

Dale
i id cheat a bit and said "life as we know it"
as for the bet, it would be rather dumb to bet on it happening, so i'll pass
what i'm implying is this, two states go to war, their actions specially if nukes are involved could affect other states. who in turn retaliate.

if lest say, isreal decide to blitz iran because it feel under imminent threat of being over run through bomb or personal, (which is not implausible) they would think twice at total destruction of iran. sides get taken things get out of hand. when the usa nuked japan, it was the onlt country with nukes hence no retaliation. if the germans had the capability it would have definitely nuked the uk, and japan the usa. all it takes is a trigger. while i'm not saying it will happen, i'm saying it could. beside that we have other wmd that abound over the planet. it isn' that far fetch that some man made pathogen escapes and destroys mankind "as we know it" most of what we have runs because of communication systems, knock those out and industry becomes sluggish, trade slows down enough to cause major crisis, people decide enough is enough lines, a few e.m. pulses could virtually wipe out telecommunication we rely to much on modern technology. it would be like going into the dark ages. some of the experiments at the quantum level could create all kinds of wierd shit, black holes. to much anti matter, dark matter etc.
Ah! I see. Now you want to hedge your bet. But that is not what the Mayan calendar supposedly implies. Certainly the world can change, as we have examples of that, such as the fall of Rome, the Vikings losing Greenland, or the Aztecs being wiped out by Western disease to which they had no immunity. History is full of these type of examples, but generally they are not considered the end of the world, and I doubt that is what those who say such about the Mayan calendar mean. If my girlfriend dumps me, or I get fired and lose my house, this would seem the "end of the world to me". Any personal tragedy generally qualifies as that.

Actually, your original thesis of

"i think the end of the world as we know it is possible in the next 100 years or so. not from natural disaster but from wars. it wont be long before we all armed for bear, someone is bound to do the deed, i think the dead leader of n korea if still alive when they had the bomb, may have been such a person Sad"

was fine, although I don't think it will happen, but when you say

"we're all doomed i tell you "

that expands it into a completely different area. But since I know you were joking, I will allow you to withdraw that part Tongue

Seriously, even if, as you so merrily project, there was a cascade of nuclear detonations, we are not talking about releasing the power that was available during the cold war. Even nut countries are aware of the possible "fallout" effecting them should they let loose with mega nukes necessary to render their enemy helpless. We are much too aware of how local events effect the rest of the globe. Using nukes on a massive scale is like shooting yourself. Sure China may hate the USA and plot it's demise, but not at the expense of killing itself. I think the only two reasons people can be convinced in a global domino effect is because of all the Armageddon mythology, and/or because it acts as such a wonderful argument for disarming. Also, as the standard of living increases, as it is globally ( just consider the amount of relief brought to bare to deal with the 2000 was it? tsunami), even though there is still starving, and malnutrition, percentage wise it is far below what it once was. As such "affluence" increases (as well as civil liberties), people have more to lose, and are less willing to lose it. This in combination with the general populace in a larger number of countries having more of a say in how their government acts would tend to limit or preclude any massive use of nukes, or even conventional warfare. Plus, as with Korea and Iran, things no longer happen in economic isolation, and such sanctions cause pressure to be put on the government by the populace to behave.
To me it seems less likely to happen now than any time since the 1950's. Any kind of oops, sort of occurrence is going to be fairly localized as we have too much redundancy built into the overall technology grid.
If something on a global scale was going to happen it would probably be something biological that would continue on it's own without human intervention such as an engineered virus. Nukes are just too overhead intensive.

Dale
It's not hedging his bet, it's simply that if he won he wouldn't be able to collect. It's not rational to accept a proposition you can either lose or not collect on.
One does not preclude the other, although I was quite aware of the absurdity of such a bet when I offered it, nor did I think Billy was dumb enough to accept. I don't have a million dollars to bet, so of course the only bet for that amount I would make would be one that regardless of the outcome I would not have to pay off. However, if anyone wanted to take me up on such a bet I would of course happily let them as I could use a few extra dollars about now.
i almost accepted it Big Grin

all i'm saying is; the potential is there. the idiots are there and we're there. that's a lot of theres. while i can't believe it would happen. (world war) i can see the not too small possibility of it happening. chance can also play it's part. ever see a coin land on it's side? in this day and age it's all about economic sanctions (which often fail, look at iran etc) were some despot with an arsenal be deprived and take affront, we could end up with the coin on it's side scenario. so i think it could, i think it won't, now that an edge bet Wink
The possibility exists for a great many things, yet they still have almost a zero percent probability of occurring, such as you actually accepting my bet, or Ray not always challenging something or other, or people not pointing out the obvious Smile

Dale
the irony of it all is that most of us will never know if it was nigh a 100 years from now.
i think we'll be okay. i'm sure some disease will wipe many of us out though. probably one created for that very purpose.