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Benny2guns

In Merry Old England, the land of George Orwell, the police state is kicking into high gear. In Nottingham on Saturday, hundreds of cops took to the streets in a coordinated effort to remind Brits they live in an advanced high-tech police state

http://www.infowars.com/british-police-s...high-gear/

mrmod

Better safe than sorry.

In other words, better to prevent a homicide than solve it.

Benny2guns

(03-25-2010, 04:25 AM)SidewaysDan Wrote: [ -> ]Better safe than sorry.

In other words, better to prevent a homicide than solve it.

It was like a scene out of Nazi Germany. “Officers and a specially-trained dog met young people coming off a number of bus routes.” They were forced to go through metal detectors and naked body scanners. Drug testing was also carried out.

So the above is perfectly acceptable to you and this should be normal every day business as usual police conduct.
the uk has always been a police state. we have cams on every corner.
but police brutality is less than most countries. it's something we learned to live with.
that said i have no probs with it. well nothing more than anyone else.

just read the story and i can't see anything out of the ordinary. maybe the drug testing but the drug dogs i have no probs with.
i also have no probs with the metal detectors. in my area the thugs are getting away with murder, litrally.

just an edit to clarify. some of the kids they target are obvious need to be sorted out thugs. the problem comes when they target non gang members etc and yes i can accept that something needs to be done about it.

mrmod

(03-25-2010, 04:35 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-25-2010, 04:25 AM)SidewaysDan Wrote: [ -> ]Better safe than sorry.

In other words, better to prevent a homicide than solve it.

It was like a scene out of Nazi Germany. “Officers and a specially-trained dog met young people coming off a number of bus routes.” They were forced to go through metal detectors and naked body scanners. Drug testing was also carried out.

So the above is perfectly acceptable to you and this should be normal every day business as usual police conduct.

Well these surprise searches are good imo. If you have nothing to hide then just do what they say. As billy said police brutality in the UK is less so than in other countries. They won't keep a force of 200 on the streets every night. That's pure madness.

Would you rather gangsters wandering the streets with knifes and guns? Because it does happen (billy will know what I'm talking about if I mention London). So I would rather surprise searches than getting stabbed.

Just my 2 cents.

Benny2guns

Looks like you have become trained to accept being imprisoned and to call it freedom. That happening here would not be acceptable at all. It would be unthinkable to allow this type of search without proof of wrong doing before hand. It says that the total population are criminals and need to have regular shake downs to look for contraband. Guilty until proven innocent.
I now understand why you see what is happening in north America as nothing to worry about. I now see why all this conspiracy theory and debunking is going on. I now see that it has really already happened to a point over there that it has become common place. Sad Sorry for your troubles, wish I could help. Sad
(03-25-2010, 05:50 AM)SidewaysDan Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-25-2010, 04:35 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-25-2010, 04:25 AM)SidewaysDan Wrote: [ -> ]Better safe than sorry.

In other words, better to prevent a homicide than solve it.
It was like a scene out of Nazi Germany. “Officers and a specially-trained dog met young people coming off a number of bus routes.” They were forced to go through metal detectors and naked body scanners. Drug testing was also carried out.

So the above is perfectly acceptable to you and this should be normal every day business as usual police conduct.
Well these surprise searches are good imo. If you have nothing to hide then just do what they say. As billy said police brutality in the UK is less so than in other countries. They won't keep a force of 200 on the streets every night. That's pure madness.

Would you rather gangsters wandering the streets with knifes and guns? Because it does happen (billy will know what I'm talking about if I mention London). So I would rather surprise searches than getting stabbed.

Just my 2 cents.
some parts of manchester birmingham leeds and a few other places are rife with gangs drugs and weapons. as are many parts of london.the best time and place is on the club scene. before during and after.

mrmod

(03-25-2010, 06:05 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like you have become trained to accept being imprisoned and to call it freedom. That happening here would not be acceptable at all. It would be unthinkable to allow this type of search without proof of wrong doing before hand. It says that the total population are criminals and need to have regular shake downs to look for contraband. Guilty until proven innocent.
I now understand why you see what is happening in north America as nothing to worry about. I now see why all this conspiracy theory and debunking is going on. I now see that it has really already happened to a point over there that it has become common place. Sad Sorry for your troubles, wish I could help. Sad

What are you on about? I have lived here for years and not once have I been searched by the police. We're not talking about everywhere in random places.

I'm talking about derelict neighborhoods that have a lot of violence, a lot of it being drug-related. Are you telling me we shouldn't send the police? Look at Rio de Janeiro - the place was so bad they had to send in the army.

The authority that is doing these searches isn't searching everyone - they are checking people who are most likely to do something stupid such as stabbing someone. And they want to prevent that. And if it makes the streets safer in Manchester, London or anywhere else - I guess once wouldn't be the end of the World. And this is not happening cos "my government is taking control of me." It's because of public pressure on the police.

Benny2guns

(03-25-2010, 07:29 AM)SidewaysDan Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-25-2010, 06:05 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like you have become trained to accept being imprisoned and to call it freedom. That happening here would not be acceptable at all. It would be unthinkable to allow this type of search without proof of wrong doing before hand. It says that the total population are criminals and need to have regular shake downs to look for contraband. Guilty until proven innocent.
I now understand why you see what is happening in north America as nothing to worry about. I now see why all this conspiracy theory and debunking is going on. I now see that it has really already happened to a point over there that it has become common place. Sad Sorry for your troubles, wish I could help. Sad

What are you on about? I have lived here for years and not once have I been searched by the police. We're not talking about everywhere in random places.

I'm talking about derelict neighborhoods that have a lot of violence, a lot of it being drug-related. Are you telling me we shouldn't send the police? Look at Rio de Janeiro - the place was so bad they had to send in the army.

The authority that is doing these searches isn't searching everyone - they are checking people who are most likely to do something stupid such as stabbing someone. And they want to prevent that. And if it makes the streets safer in Manchester, London or anywhere else - I guess once wouldn't be the end of the World. And this is not happening cos "my government is taking control of me." It's because of public pressure on the police.
What exactly does any of that have to do with the OP? The fact is they can and will do it anywhere and any time they want to in the future. You have said it is ok.
So how do you tell exactly who is going to do what in a random search, lol. A search where no person has done anything to warrant being searched?
That happens in prisons on a daily basis. They just search everyone because they are in fact criminals. So what you have there is different in what way? All of the people being searched surly must be criminals I take it? If not then why are they being searched and treated as such? What you have is a total police state just one step down from marshal law and you seem to think it is OK. It is not OK to remove the rights of a society to stop some so called crime that may or may not be committed. You have a problem with crime just like everyone else but the way to stop it is not by living in a prison with out bars.
This so called public pressure is in fact the result of mass media propaganda perpetrated to extract a police state in which the public believes they have asked for. It's old hat and has happened many times before in history but never before on a world stage. I did not know to what extent for sure untill you posted that this was so deeply involved there. You read things but to have someone I actually know some what write a responce to a thread I posted on the topic and express himself the way you did, I must say it is really true, they have all but won out over there.
this is unacceptable,next they'll kick your door in anytime they want

mrmod

So as far as I understand it, the police can't search you in Canada if they think you are carrying a weapon? Without a warrant?

Am I correct?

mrmod

(03-26-2010, 02:48 AM)velvetfog Wrote: [ -> ]The Canadian courts are very strict when it comes to searches. Police searches should not violate the Charter of Rights protections in the Canadian constitution. Some examples:

A fellow was spotted at a Greyhound bus station by a drug sniffing police dog, and the police searched him on the spot and found a large amount of drugs on him. The court threw out the case, since the search was illegal.

Police did a drug raid on a marijuana grow-op house in British Columbia. They smashed in the door, and stormed into the home. The court threw out the case, since the police did not knock on the door or ring the doorbell first, while waiting a reasonable time for the folks in the house to answer the door.

And that's acceptable according to Candadian law Huh?

Since I am for the legalization of marijuana the case has a touch of humour. But for example heroine... Is this tolerated? Confused

Benny2guns

Thats not entirely true. In Ontario and new Brunswick they can indeed search without a warrant. They can then lay charges and they will stick. I am not sure about the rest of Canada but as far as I know the racketeering laws are the same. I have no Idea of the timming or the circumstance of what VF is siting but according to the new laws (approx 4 years old) those charges should have stuck. I remember it being a big deal when they pased the law, at the time I was living in Ontario. Was only supposed to be used to enforce the closing down of drug rings, grow-ops and the like.
that's the whole point,laws are brought in for certain things and then used for everything covering everybody

Benny2guns

(03-26-2010, 10:35 AM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]that's the whole point,laws are brought in for certain things and then used for everything covering everybody

Laws are being changed all over the world to come in line with a world police state controlled by the operators of the world bank. It used to be a gradual thing but so many people have become aware of this fact because of the INTERNET that they have had to step up their plans and in the process are making too many mistakes too often in too many parts of the world. What used to take 20 to 50 years to find out in alot of cases now takes months. Thats A good thing,the more we learn, the faster they move the more mistakes they make, the more we show them for the evil people they really are and the more people see the truth about the world situation and who created it. These pricks will not stand, we will win back what is rightfully ours, just open your eyes and see the truth and have the balls to say it out loud so more people can break free of the grip they have on our children's throats.

mrmod

(03-26-2010, 06:54 PM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-26-2010, 10:35 AM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]that's the whole point,laws are brought in for certain things and then used for everything covering everybody

Laws are being changed all over the world to come in line with a world police state controlled by the operators of the world bank. It used to be a gradual thing but so many people have become aware of this fact because of the INTERNET that they have had to step up their plans and in the process are making too many mistakes too often in too many parts of the world. What used to take 20 to 50 years to find out in alot of cases now takes months. Thats A good thing,the more we learn, the faster they move the more mistakes they make, the more we show them for the evil people they really are and the more people see the truth about the world situation and who created it. These pricks will not stand, we will win back what is rightfully ours, just open your eyes and see the truth and have the balls to say it out loud so more people can break free of the grip they have on our children's throats.

World police state? World bank? And who is they? I keep hearing about "them" but no-one has actually given me irrefutable evidence of anything.

I won't mind that this is a conspiracy theory thread, but watch your language on it. At least use an asterisc (*) or something.

Benny2guns

(03-27-2010, 03:03 AM)SidewaysDan Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-26-2010, 06:54 PM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-26-2010, 10:35 AM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]that's the whole point,laws are brought in for certain things and then used for everything covering everybody

Laws are being changed all over the world to come in line with a world police state controlled by the operators of the world bank. It used to be a gradual thing but so many people have become aware of this fact because of the INTERNET that they have had to step up their plans and in the process are making too many mistakes too often in too many parts of the world. What used to take 20 to 50 years to find out in alot of cases now takes months. Thats A good thing,the more we learn, the faster they move the more mistakes they make, the more we show them for the evil people they really are and the more people see the truth about the world situation and who created it. These pricks will not stand, we will win back what is rightfully ours, just open your eyes and see the truth and have the balls to say it out loud so more people can break free of the grip they have on our children's throats.

World police state? World bank? And who is they? I keep hearing about "them" but no-one has actually given me irrefutable evidence of anything.

I won't mind that this is a conspiracy theory thread, but watch your language on it. At least use an asterisc (*) or something.

You need to read this again. This is no theory, conspericy or otherwise. Keep the trolls in the sewer.
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Just because this is one of my threads I do not want to here about modding in it.
What language is that? I am speaking english without curse words at all.