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I saw a BBC report which investigated female circumcision in Egypt -- more accurately, mutilation. It seem that 90% of women have been 'cut', with all manner of health dangers ensuing. This means, that they cannot enjoy sex. I mean, wtf? What is going on? The fathers would rather their daughters scream in agony, pinned down while the local midwife, with dirty tools goes about her business? And the mums, who are all for it (because otherwise, she might this and might--all to do with boys), what do they know? They have seen their men get v steamed up, so they know something important is being lost, but they cannot know. And the men -- I suppose they to know no better, and are content with wives who lie back and think of Egypt.

What is with this 'woman' thing anyway. Everything results in women wearing some fucking stupid outfit, being guilty of any number of crimes and getting raped.

I am furious, and partly disappointed, as I thought Egypt had advanced beyond that stage of barbarism. BBC was careful to say that it was prevalent among the Christian community as well.

Unfortunately, I cannot find an online thing from the BBC, but here is Huff Post. Forgive my rant.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/egypt...rcumcision







i agree with you
let's not forget the ridiculous custom of cutting off foreskins either
might be less severe,but still
I know what you're saying SJ, but this goes a lot farther. Men who have been circumcised have a loss of sensitivity, but some of these women have their clitoris completely removed (or cauterized)! Jesus WTF are these people thinking?
i never knew the custom occurred i egypt, i kew it went on in pakistan and india, though.

i think it's an abhorrent act of cruelty, many are just children when they have it don. i think it;s
all part of subjugating the woman's role to looking after the male and the children.
i often hear the mean say women are revered in these societies but i haver my doubts.
you don't do that shit to people you love.

the foreskin thing jewish boys go through. from what i heard it can be healthier and it allows them to last longer because the knob becomes used to touch Undecided personally it isn't something i'd do to my kids, i do think theres a difference between boys losing a little loose skin and girls being mutilated.
there is absolutely a difference,female circumcision is by far the worst of the 2,i'll bet if you start asking why they do it,they can't give a reason other than my parents did it,so i do it

and some crazed mullah and rabbi coming up with some religious bullshit
what is the point of female circumcision. i can't see what benifit a woman would get from it.

the male cock chop while i think is wrong, may have a good side. (i hear it's more hygienic)
(02-18-2012, 10:10 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]the male cock chop while i think is wrong, may have a good side. (i hear it's more hygienic)

It certainly is not more hygienic to circumcise males. The foreskin is intended to protect the head of the penis from desensitization (because 'going a long time' isn't the only consideration) and prevent polluting the urethra (swimming and such). I have no clue why God would tell the Israelites to cut away the protective skin that He had installed Huh
thanks for highlighting not Big Grin

okay, but when we're in a bath full of dirty water, don#t we pull it back to clean the stale cheese of the bugger? isn't there more chance of an infection then, i supoose if your river or sea swimming you can get an infect. most public baths have chlorine in them.
The bottom line is that regular cleaning is enough to prevent any problems- circumcised or not. And I'm not saying that the foreskin will prevent any and all infections but it is a barrier (of sorts).
i have earwax all the time,my nose runs,shit between my toes,crap under my fingernails.........
(02-19-2012, 12:25 AM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]i have earwax all the time,my nose runs,shit between my toes,crap under my fingernails.........

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(02-19-2012, 12:57 AM)Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-19-2012, 12:25 AM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]i have earwax all the time,my nose runs,shit between my toes,crap under my fingernails.........

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Mark, old fruit, I am prepared that accept that non-circmicision of males may leave them more sensitive, although it makes me a bit wild, since I was circumcised, for no reason that my mum could give, save that it was all the fashion (when bombs were raining down?) Sex was not spoken of, and it surprises me that she told me this: generally, the attitude was that there 'had never been anything like that in our family'. You look like a sensitive chap, and perhaps society is the better for my half-hearted interest in such things --otherwise, I might have burdened them with ten children, instead of just the five.

But have we, as males, not turned this into a male-centric topic? 'Circumcision' literally, means 'cutting around' which pretty well describes the process of cutting off the foreskin. But it is a weasel word for butchering a woman, and depriving her of the most basic human joy and happiness, and I include inthis, her ability to please her loved one , and vice versa, and then vice versa again.

I should have added that the Head Waiter at Al-Azhar, which is the oldest university, has issued a fatwa stating that this is no part of Islam. But at village level, the ignorant local Imam was still spouting this stuff to the journalist, and villagers. Depressingly, it was the old regime, led by Suzanne Mubarak, the ex-President's wife, that passed a law, largely ignored, in 2008, totally banning this practice. A member of the more extreme religious bloc in the new government, the Salafis, simply said they had other things to think about. One can only hope.
Ed,
I refuse to even call it 'female circumcision'. In my mind it is female genital mutilation and to say it any other way is to give it way too much respect . . .

I'm sure there are many traditions that make no sense (like the Iroquois and their flattening the heads of infant boys), but this is more than just some odd custom: to me it is a scourge and should be stopped by any means necessary.
(02-19-2012, 10:44 AM)Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Ed,
I refuse to even call it 'female circumcision'. In my mind it is female genital mutilation and to say it any other way is to give it way too much respect . . .

I'm sure there are many traditions that make no sense (like the Iroquois and their flattening the heads of infant boys), but this is more than just some odd custom: to me it is a scourge and should be stopped by any means necessary.

Thank you, Mark. You have completed my train of thought. Female Genital Mutilation is what it is, and I was even uneasy when on the BBC programme, they abbreviated it to 'FGM', since that too seemed to detract from the awfulness of the whole thing. In fact, I don't know how one can express it: this very evening, I told my 50 year-old daughter what i had seen, and added that it seemed that they mostly elected for the worst type, namely chopping off the clitoris and labia, and anything else that looks 'bad'. She was shocked at my use of the word clitoris. So if even now it is still a bit taboo, I suppose these words will have to do.

I have friend who lived a while in the Sudan, and wrote a book based on her experiences, about a girl growing up in an orphanage. Various events happen, out of the blue, she does not know why; that is very childhood, anywhere. And children accept stuff. It had the ring of truth to it, tho I did not make it that far. But does beg the question: if it is plainly wrong, and the people themselves cannot see it---who is to intervene and break the cycle?
This is an issue that horrifies me beyond belief and always has, not least because I know that there is so very little that I can do about it except be horrified... but it heartens me that there are men who find it equally offensive, and although women are not completely powerless, the reality is that in such places men's rules are the only rules, therefore it will be men who change things. I wish it were not so. I can't conceive of a situation in which it might be otherwise.

Essentially, I am proud to know men who are as upset by the plight of women around the world as women are.
sorry about bringing mens cuts into it abu. and yes i do find it a triviality compared to what some young girls have to spend their lives going through. i think the people who force such things should have their hearts cut out.
i have a feeling that half of what's done in the name of some gods are really only done because men are inherently nasty overbearing bastards. and while male circing is done, it most definitely does not compare.
are any of these countries part of the 'human rights corp countries' i doubt it.

Billy, I would not have the temerity to up-braid another member. Perhaps it is interesting that the term used for men, has also been adopted for what is quite a different thing (unless Mark is right, and I have been missing SOOOOOOOOO much!)

In a way, I suppose, the fact that I do not know what it would have been like to have been left intact, explains a lot: the Egyptian man has no idea what he is missing or what he and his people, have deprived his wife of; and nor does the woman, once the dangerous, painful, ritual is over, have any idea of what she is missing (otherwise she to would be SOOOOO furious!) It seems to be a case of 'Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do --- but stop them fucking doing it!'Big Grin

Speaking as someone who has lived with ignorant traditions all their life, I can certainly understand how these men that make the rules could continue in ignorance. It's quite possible that this tradition is being carried on by those with good hearts but very little common sense. There is no justification, of course, but all I'm saying is that this tradition, like all traditions, will be very hard to root out.
As I started this, here is an article which makes it worse, and better, with a little humour, especially regarding pots and pansSmile

http://www.lightfoot-klein.com/orgasm.html
i stopped reading after half way. it seems it's done as a truth operation., "when you see her privates you'll know she's not been had"
it's tearful. i did know the basics of what female circumcising was but never realised it was done and finished in such a way.
absolutely horrific.

it's so hard for me to comprehend how the value of virginity can be put before the health, well-being and suffering of a person.
even the mild form where they just cut off the clit, how, how, how can they do and allow it to continue to be done.
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