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OK everyone...Theist, Agnostic, or Atheist. Don't forget to put why.
Begin!
so,i reckon everything is possible,god falls in this category,the reason 'he's' so popular is that people need a meaning to their life,can't leave things to random,chaos is the only given
I tend to be Theistic. One argument I've heard is...oh...did Godel say it?
Logic depends on natural axioms. What puts these axioms in place?
For instance, why are the rooks at the edges of a chessboard?
A game must have "rules" to go by, and these rules must be "designed"

I want to know your take on this. I'm aware that there are problems with it
(What philosophical discourse isn't full of holes anyway -.-)
But yeah.
someone had to do the god post lol.

i'd say i'm an atheist, which is weird because i believe in a god.
not a god whose omnipotent, rather a god that everything else is structured under.
if i had to name my god it would be nature, mainly in the form of laws.
i personally feel these laws of the universe/s are rigid. before them it was pure chaos. eventually chaos gave way to a stability.

i see in a post that you refer to rooks and say the game needs a design/er
not really. the big bang from chaos (nothing) billions of years later earth.
a while later boardgames. what shall we call these; rooks. you say the rooks came about by design. i say they came about by chance. they could very easily have been called skunters and only be allowed on any white square in a row or column. i doubt they were originally called rooks or castles. everything evolves. even so called design. we change this or alter that and call it design. in truth it's natural progression. we need something to stop us being bored. we invent chess.
Well, I'm using chess to illustrate that without God, perhaps, the laws of logic would be turned upon their head.


I know you're into physics, though. So I would like your answer to the question: How does something come from nothing?
No doubt that physics is the language of God, but, looking at the Earth...perhaps he isn't just a mathematician, but a poet as well?

I'm an agnostic, by the way. I like playing with an Idea, though, so roll along with it bud. Tongue

Katkwaraye

I'm ready to believe anything, but I don't care for what men say about their god.
AMEN
(02-19-2010, 05:09 PM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]AMEN
it's an sd&d thread not a prayer meeting, amen doesn't cut it:no:/mod
(02-19-2010, 02:06 PM)Larry Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I'm using chess to illustrate that without God, perhaps, the laws of logic would be turned upon their head.


I know you're into physics, though. So I would like your answer to the question: How does something come from nothing?
No doubt that physics is the language of God, but, looking at the Earth...perhaps he isn't just a mathematician, but a poet as well?

I'm an agnostic, by the way. I like playing with an Idea, though, so roll along with it bud. Tongue
can god exist without believers?

maybe it can't...this would mean god never happened as well though. if there was nothing there was no god either.

so then we have to say, there was always something. which, in and of itself, can preclude a god.

i think time (not ours) is infinite. the universe ends the universe starts, ad infinitum.

as of yet nothing only exists in unproven theory, (i think) but if nothing really does or did exist, then surely it was something. it just never had a name.

mrmod

I find it sometimes comforting to know that there could be a bigger plan, in which a God would look over me as such. But that's whent times are bad. We all need hope and sometimes the God belief can bring that hope. (For catholicism)

But in my head, I cannot explain if he exists and why? And how? So I'm a semi-atheist. Until the bad times come :0
(02-20-2010, 02:03 AM)velvetfog Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-19-2010, 08:47 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-19-2010, 05:09 PM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]AMEN
it's an sd&d thread not a prayer meeting, amen doesn't cut it:no:/mod
I suspect he meant this:

(02-19-2010, 05:09 PM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-19-2010, 04:34 PM)velvetfog Wrote: [ -> ]I have no problems with God.

It is just the folks in his fan clubs here on earth that I don't like.
AMEN
There are a lot of us who don't really like the organized religion folks.
yep that was it vf;

i'm not keen on the the whole, we must go to church thing. same with the mosque. why if you believe in a god and he's all you say he is, can't you pray to him from a taxi or the bathHuh
has it ever been defined; that thing that make
someone a believer? (no smart arse replies)
i'm on about those people who would die willingly for their religion?
such potential
(02-20-2010, 02:01 PM)velvetfog Wrote: [ -> ]I have not gotten the 72 virgin offer so far.
So I'm not about to blow myself up in a crowd.
i know but it's not just that. what about the fanatical christians and the devout jew etc. all of them would cut your balls off and smile if their leader told them too.
amen to that ,that's what i meant.
it's the here and now that has meaning,the rest we'll see later,interesting to philosofy about but irrelevant
Of course, many atheist states and governments prove to be just as violent as fanatical religious orders.

How can infinity exist outside of the mind? If time is eternal, would I not have to transgress an infinite amount
Of time to reach this moment?

I think God exists independently of us. He created us out of "love", so says the Christians.

I'm not too keen on church either. I do think it's a nice community act. That IS what organized religion
Is about, anyway. 'Tis why it's "organized". I've got no outstanding problems with it, though.

I hate the double standards, though. When scientists "change their views" they're called "updated" or
"Cutting edge" but when religion "evolves" or "alters itself" people jeer and remark on how foolish
The entire thing is.


Sorry, I have ADD. I love jumping from topic to topic Tongue

Also, what about natural law? Morality, the idea that we all have a moral "standard" which we abide by?

Benny2guns

I believe we are all one, these bodies we call us are an avatar to allow this experience.:homegrown:
(02-20-2010, 04:48 PM)Larry Wrote: [ -> ]Of course, many atheist states and governments prove to be just as violent as fanatical religious orders.
which proves?
(02-20-2010, 04:48 PM)Larry Wrote: [ -> ]How can infinity exist outside of the mind? If time is eternal, would I not have to transgress an infinite amount
Of time to reach this moment?
why, are you as old as time? time is infinite, you on the other hand are not. you exist somewhere in time between point A and B. and i understand time for you personally is not infinite.
(02-20-2010, 04:48 PM)Larry Wrote: [ -> ]I think God exists independently of us. He created us out of "love", so says the Christians.
why? maybe if does exist he created us out of boredom? maybe the christians got it wrongWink ; heres my idea though it's not finished Here.
(02-20-2010, 04:48 PM)Larry Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not too keen on church either. I do think it's a nice community act. That IS what organized religion
Is about, anyway. 'Tis why it's "organized". I've got no outstanding problems with it, though.
i think religion organized or other is about control. about making others believe what you say you believe. most organized religions are evangelistic. they have to be in order for them to get followers.
(02-20-2010, 04:48 PM)Larry Wrote: [ -> ]I hate the double standards, though. When scientists "change their views" they're called "updated" or
"Cutting edge" but when religion "evolves" or "alters itself" people jeer and remark on how foolish
The entire thing is.
science changes because the information changes, what we know changes. gods word on the other hand has been the same for millennia. but somehow the church can't seem to interpret it, i always thought the ten commandments where easy enough to understand. why do we need all the trimmings and paraphernalia? science on the other hand is still searching if you will for their own ten commandments, unlike the church they were never handed downWink

(02-20-2010, 04:48 PM)Larry Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, I have ADD. I love jumping from topic to topic Tongue

Also, what about natural law? Morality, the idea that we all have a moral "standard" which we abide by?
in the sd and d theirs no jumping lol. you can veer a little but no jumping.
you can always start a new threadConfusedhy: