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I'll keep my opinion to myself for now, and open this question up to the floor.
(02-12-2010, 03:54 PM)Larry Wrote: [ -> ]I'll keep my opinion to myself for now, and open this question up to the floor.
i'm not conversant wit the USA sat system. i think we have something similar in the uk though.
i had little schooling and no college Blush

i understand the reasoning behind the sat. it gives an even playing field or is supposed to, when it comes to seeing if a pupil is capable of doing the work.
once they get to college.

the sad thing is the sats are invariably used to grade the students so the best colleges get the best scorers.

if the sats were done by an independent body and the only things the student got was a yes you passed or no you didn't certificate. and the colleges never got to see the results i'd say yes to them. they should also be free.

that said;
if by the end of high school, the school can't grade you on reading writing and math etc then the school has failed you and itself. the sats are i believe used for things other than college entry, mensa uses them as well i think, for prospective entrants.

so after writing this post and thinking about it. no i don't think i believe in sats. (an entrance exam based on a three or four hour test) i know they say it runs in conjunction with school work but you get bad sats and your college of choice becomes limited.

mrmod

Sometimes it makes you wonder if pupils are not actually being taught maths and chemistry, but how to pass their chemistry or maths SATs/Highers instead....
(02-12-2010, 10:05 PM)SidewaysDan Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes it makes you wonder if pupils are not actually being taught maths and chemistry, but how to pass their chemistry or maths SATs/Highers instead....
good point. they really do teach their kids to do well in the sats.
(02-13-2010, 07:14 AM)velvetfog Wrote: [ -> ]SATs are overrated.
I'm not nearly as smart as the SATs said I was.
and this took you how long to work out Tongue

sorry mods i couldn't help it.

on topic .
i've heard that about the sats. if enough people aren't
passing, they simply lower the pass mark. is that true?

PimpQ

(02-12-2010, 10:05 PM)SidewaysDan Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes it makes you wonder if pupils are not actually being taught maths and chemistry, but how to pass their chemistry or maths SATs/Highers instead....

Quote:but how to pass their chemistry or maths SATs/Highers instead....

That is a good point. I'm not a straight A student, but I get A,B,C's [avarage], but I go to a private school. I thought taking the PSAT was pretty simple, I think its the public schools that tell how to pass it.
My main qualm with the SATs is that it offers an insanely expensive official course PROVEN to raise a students grade by about 50 points per subject. As someone mentioned before, this is an example of making kids better SAT takers, rather than actually improving their mathematical or verbal prowess.

Also, this creates an inaccurate curve to base scores on. For instance, if Joe receives a 640 in critical reading, and Mike receives a 610, a college considering both Joe and Mike would (if they are roughly equal students in all other things considered) prefer Joe, because he is the better reader, according to to the duly reliable SATs.

NOW, let us say our two boys take the SATs again. On average, a student retaking the SAT usually improves his overall score by a modest amount, because he is more familiar with the exam itself. So, we'll presume that Joe and Mike both gain twenty points from the "comfort factor". Joe's score should still be greater, arriving at a grand total of 660. However, Mike has a trick up his sleeve. He had the money to take the 500 dollar KAPLAN course, which inflated his score by fifity and made him APPEAR to be a better reader than he actually is. Now, Mike, with the "comfort" factor, AND the KAPLAN course, arrives at total of 680. Colleges shall see Mike as the better reader.

In sum....Money=Better Scores. I've a slew of other complaints, but I'll spare you all. Smile


Plus....IT'S FOUR HOURS LONG. ;P. Props to the man that kept his head the entire time.
i never knew you could improve the score by paying,

shouldn't that be made clear to the education board etc.
it sounds like a bad system to say the least.
Well, you pay to take the course. And, on average, the course raises a students grade by 150 points. It is managed by actual collegeboard employees, so they obvious know the best study methods for the exam.

mrmod

Sad thing is that if you don't write down what they want you to write, you'll loose the marks. You could know all there is to know (especially for english) but if you don't set it out like the exam board wants then you'll loose half your marks Undecided