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I was reading an article today about a foreign town which is plagued by British stag parties urinating on their statue of liberty. Also in the article were stories about celebrations in Ibiza and such where men were seen dancing on tables, throwing up, exposing themselves and starting fights. Perhaps I don't have the appropriate mentality but I've never understood stag parties like this anyway, which seem to involve a lot of the time sexual humiliation (like one man who was tied naked to a bed and had to be freed by hotel staff), risk of sometimes horrific accidents or even deaths (there have been reports of partiers falling off balconies while drunk etc.), violence, fines and arrests by local police.
Do you think this kind of misbehaviour abroad is something the British specialise in? Have you been or are planning to go on a stag overseas, and if so will there be drink and excess involved? How far is too far?
one of my friends in majorca looked out of the window and saw the pool was beneath us, he jumped out of the window (3rd floor) and into the pool, breaking his back. he never saw the submerged island in it.

for many youmg people on holiday it's about breaking out. i doubt it's just the stag party scene. most times i've been top spain i've seen the same thing, guys puking and pissing in public. mooning on tables etc. in many clubs they actively encourage such behaviour, specially in ibiza where they fill the club with foam halfway through the night. it how the resorts make their money; by getting people drunk, if everyone stayed nice and sober they'd be more upset i'm sure.

thethingy

you've just described most weekends of my youth Big Grin
(05-16-2011, 11:20 AM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]one of my friends in majorca looked out of the window and saw the pool was beneath us, he jumped out of the window (3rd floor) and into the pool, breaking his back. i never saw the submerged island in it.

for many youmg people on holiday it's about breaking out. i doubt it's just the stag party scene. most times i've been top spain i've seen the same thing, guys puking and pissing in public. mooning on tables etc. in many clubs they actively encourage such behaviour, specially in ibiza where they fill the club with foam halfway through the night. it how the resorts make their money; by getting people drunk, if everyone stayed nice and sober they'd be more upset i'm sure.

Well actually Ibiza has recently tried remodelling itself as a place for families, though of course that doesn't stop the stag and hen parties. I'm probably just a mean old killjoy but I kind of despise this excessive behaviour where Brits, whether they're kids flying free from the nest or grooms and brides on their last nights of freedom, feel they can go anywhere they like and rip up a local community, treating places which people call home as their own personal toilet.
What happened to your friend by the way? He wasn't crippled for life or anything was he?

thethingy

(05-16-2011, 11:26 AM)Heslopian Wrote: [ -> ]Well actually Ibiza has recently tried remodelling itself as a place for families, though of course that doesn't stop the stag and hen parties. I'm probably just a mean old killjoy but I kind of despise this excessive behaviour where Brits, whether they're kids flying free from the nest or grooms and brides on their last nights of freedom, feel they can go anywhere they like and rip up a local community, treating places which people call home as their own personal toilet.
What happened to your friend by the way? He wasn't crippled for life or anything was he?

it's not just Brits you know, the yanks do this stuff in Mexico in fact most countries have other mad little islands that there teens/youth go to to let of steam and you know the locals love it.
(05-16-2011, 11:50 AM)thethingy Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-16-2011, 11:26 AM)Heslopian Wrote: [ -> ]Well actually Ibiza has recently tried remodelling itself as a place for families, though of course that doesn't stop the stag and hen parties. I'm probably just a mean old killjoy but I kind of despise this excessive behaviour where Brits, whether they're kids flying free from the nest or grooms and brides on their last nights of freedom, feel they can go anywhere they like and rip up a local community, treating places which people call home as their own personal toilet.
What happened to your friend by the way? He wasn't crippled for life or anything was he?

it's not just Brits you know, the yanks do this stuff in Mexico in fact most countries have other mad little islands that there teens/youth go to to let of steam and you know the locals love it.

The locals love the money no doubt, but I don't think they enjoy having their monuments desecrated and their places of business ripped apart. But yeah I concur that it isn't just Brits who do this, though they're among the worst offenders.
ibiza, the tourist trade there was set up mainly for the clubbers (big spenders specially when drunk) so they have happy hours to get them half drunk. very few monuments that are old get desecrated. most are built on and by the currencies of tourist just so the place looks like it has age. ibiza has the family life on one side and the clubbers on the other.

majorca is the same, the parts that have cultural significance seldom get visited by yobs and stag parties etc. except on coach tours when they're sober.they'll always be exceptions to the rule but that can be said of any cultural site in the world.

as for having their places ripped apart (the furniture is usually plastic or aluminium and cheap. ) most don't get broken. the tables are usually cheap shit that cost a couple of quid.
often the owners want the tourist to trash the place so the police can sort out some nice fat payments for them selves and the bar owners. often they can make as much having their bar trashed as they can from selling the booze.
that sounds about right
I must admit I don't know much about the party scene abroad, but according to the mayor of the town I mentioned in my opening post the statue is old and much revered by the locals, and I just consider it disrespectful when British yobs treat a piece of foreign culture as a toilet. If Spanish partiers came over here and took a dump on a World War I memorial there'd be national outrage.
Furthermore, while the bar owners might be satisfied with stag parties wrecking the place and pissing and shitting everywhere (though, even if the tables are cheap and crappy and they do earn fat payments, clearing up the detritus of drunken pigs can't be appealing, and will certainly affect their opinions regarding Britons), what about the residents who live near or even amongst these places, and have to contend with abuse from idiots when they go out at night? Again I don't know much about the party scene abroad but I'm assuming the places where the stag parties do their thing aren't completely segregated from the homes and businesses of people not concerned with British tourism.
great find and appropiate in this contextSmile

mrmod

Britain is a very closed society, with strict social rules and lots of "frowning upon".

Young people perhaps go to Ibiza and get smashed out of some sense of freedom. Plus the genrations before them did so as well, so there is a cultural thing as well (associated with drinking, drugs and sex all of which are plentiful over there).


Me, I think there are rather nicer places in Spain to go, even if to get smashed. The thing is, so many Brits go to eye-bee-tha (always makes me laugh) that they can just speak English with other Brits and staff that knows English cos of theit job and don't have to worry about knowing any Spanish.

They miss out on all the Spanish culture. But they're not there for that.
I'm not the wild type myself, but I can assume there are at last two things at work when people act out in their stag parties abroad.

One, it's tradition. There's a belief, mythical or not, that this is the last chance for the groom to indulge his "wild side" before marriage "ties him down". So the traditional stag activities tend to become akin to a very drunk, very misguided bucket list.

Second, it's the freedom of being in a place where hardly anyone knows them, with no one to look over their shoulder, drinking and partying as you please. It makes you feel unfettered, invincible, and reckless. You just have to look at the phenomenon of spring break amongst kids in the US to see the extreme behavior that could generate.

mrmod

I don't get why always the same generic places, though... What's so great in Ibiza that you can't find anywhere else?
mostly the saggers are youner people in the know musically.
ibiza was one of the mane focal points in the origin of certain genres.
house, trance etc, it was the in place where you could find the best dj from around the world.
the arguably best music, and definietly some of the best clubs, cream (the trade mark) is now a world wide phenom, it's even here in the philippines. ibiza for many wasn't just a party place but a way of life. no where held foam parties like ibiza, now every bar in spain that has a dj has a foam party. (exaggerating i know but you get what i'm saying. )
it came about in the same way detroit was the happening scene for soul, along with philly, the same that the north of england was the birth place of northern soul, that liverpool was one of the biggest city's to hear pop music in. same with a few clubs in manchester uk.
ibiza became a branded icon for all would be trance, house, rave addicts to pilgrimage to.

it isn't or wasn't just about getting drunk, it was much more about being on the scene.

mrmod

I knew it was something a bit cultural, but I never thought it would be that deep.
it's not that deep really, they also wanted to get drunk and just have fun. ibiza and spain was were perfect venues for it.