What is it, something that we humans have brought on ourselves and can fix?
Something that happens naturally and has happened before?
Can we fix or controll it through the use of technology's such as H.A.A.R.P.?
Is it actually a criminal conspericy played out to gain controll by a new world order?
These are just a few of the question's that I have asked myself in my personal quest to find the truth so now I ask you to comment with your own insites,opinions and sources. Maybe together we can sort through all the smoke and mirrors and find the truth inside all the bullshit.
(01-18-2010, 03:15 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]What is it, something that we humans have brought on ourselves and can fix?
Something that happens naturally and has happened before?
Can we fix or controll it through the use of technology's such as H.A.A.R.P.?
Is it actually a criminal conspericy played out to gain controll by a new world order?
These are just a few of the question's that I have asked myself in my personal quest to find the truth so now I ask you to comment with your own insites,opinions and sources. Maybe together we can sort through all the smoke and mirrors and find the truth inside all the bullshit.
you bugger, i left this one alone cos i thought it best. i'm glad you posted it though because i think its a question that should be in every forum.
my thinks;
over the last two hundred years i think mankind has influenced the climate.
so much so that now we have a quicker paced climate change. the factories, domesticated animal population. missing forests and jungle. the number of our specie, our appliances and use of fossil fuels. the plastic that clogs the rivers. the effluent that poisons the sea, which in turn are over fished. we fuck up the equilibrium of the planet like no other specie before us. we eradicate animal life from certain food chains and in do so, kill countless others.
we are not guilty of causing climate change. we're only guilty of speeding it up.
Yeah, I think it would be pretty naive to think that we only affect the climate "a little", considering how much of the world we occupy and how much we consume and much waste we produce. The earth has definitely gone through its ups and downs before, but I think people have become capable of really tipping the balance.
Can we fix it with technology? Well, we can slow it I guess, and try our best to have as minimal impact as possible. But I doubt we'll be able to fully balance or control the climate since we're not the only factor.
LINK
actually, this scared me a lot
(01-18-2010, 12:34 PM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]LINK
actually, this scared me a lot
just read it.
yep it's scary. i dare say some will say it's just a hoax though.
hide behind hoax,stick your head in the sand,same thing
Liberalized agenda bs. How do you think we came out of the ice age? Yup, global warming. It's a natural cycle of the earth, that's happened before. Will it kill us all? Eventually yes. Can we prevent it? No. Like I said, it's a natural process that the earth needs to do, in order to maintain a certain balance.
I am leaning towards the house of scholars that seem to be saying that global warming is in fact a natural cycle that this planet goes through and with or without our injections it is going through it's natural cycle now as we speak and will continue to do so.
I have been doing some research online into possible advancements in technology's that may allow mankind to alter what is considered to be not controllable by man. Things like wheather and magnitic feilds in relation to the earth. What I have found so far is pretty interisting to say the least. Seems like all that I thought not changeable or controlable in fact are and have been for some time.
H.A.A.R.P. is one such project.
http://old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id6/pg1/
Thats just the problem VF because when I sit and really think about it(smoke fills the room) I can honestly say that personally I see no real change. Here on the east cost of Canada we still freeze our balls off in the winter. We still get that great dumping of snow in amounts that seem too much year after year. We still get those 2 to 3 weeks in august that fry our balls off in the opposite direction every summer and lets not forget spring and fall and the damn rain. Nothing has changed that I can see or feel. All I have is the great media machine telling me to buy green, think green, spend more for less, do it now before it's too late, in another 5 years the chance to fix it will be past. I don't buy it. It's a crock! The very people in charge of this crap are loosing their jobs and their credibility being seriously brought into question. We need to do more than listen to the media machine, we need to question these peoples findings for our selves, do a small bit of research, jump the fence and have a listen...a serious listen to the folks on the other side and a serious look at their evidence.
global warming is a naturally occurring theme on our planet.
no one is saying it isn't. what many (more than 50%) are saying is that we, our species, directly and indirectly add to the speed of it's theme.
heat; all things hot have it. we can add to that heat, we do it all the time when we boil water, cook food. we alter the heat.
cold; all things cold have it. we add to that cold, we do it all the time. look in your ref. look at the supermarket ref. we do it.
the heat and cold like the climate are always there but they can be altered.
the climate hoax blog which went round is of now shown to be a hoax.
a few words taken out of thousands of emails. and strung together. people love conspiracy theories and bought into it for a few weeks.
even as basic animals without the ability to create artifact we affect the climate. everything on the planet does this. our footprint is to the nth power of what it was when we were mere animals without portfolio. if i put a gram of weight in my pocket i will be a gram heavier. if i put a particle of co into the atmosphere by burning a peace of wood that particle will be in the atmosphere. we all know what co2 does. it's one of the main ingredients in the natural climate cycle of our planet. every particle we put there that wasn't there has an effect. every particle that goes into a heat sink such as an ocean or forest has an effect. every single tree we cut down has an affect. every fart we let out has an effect. to say it doesn't is incomprehensible. add all those small effects up and you have a larger effect. we all know that once a ball starts rolling down hill something has to happen for it to stop. at present we are not only allowing that climate ball to roll down hill. we're pushing it with all our might.
to say pollution doesn't speed up climate change lets keep polluting is madness. if you get a boil you treat it. if you're ill you treat it. if you think out planet well then by all means don't hope it will be cured. don't try and cure it. lets all die in pollution and smog. if you think the smog over every major city on the planet has no effect on global climate change then fine lets poison the worlds population indefinitely. it'll certainly cure the over population when we all die from lung disease. maybe that's the way to go. let most of this planets inhabitants die en masse and they will. jmo
Which conspiracy theory are you refering to bill? Please elaborate on that one as I am not sure I am familiar with it. I am not saying that none of what we do has zero effect as that would be a crazy statement to make, deer shit has an effect so what. It will not bring about the end of the friggin world. I suppose if every human lined up and pointed their ass in the same direction then farted it may effect something adversly, i don't know but so what. Plastic, now thats something solid that I can lay my hands on and see the effect it may cause, it's patrolium based and full of chemicals so I say lets get ridd of it, outlaw it from being made, we can do it cause there are more of us than them but, oh ya, the guys at the top own those outfits and rule the world and could care less that you fart north or south as long as we don't all fart at the same time in their direction,the collective stench may be enough to shock us into a reality they have worked so long and hard to hide. JMO
(01-18-2010, 07:25 PM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]Which conspiracy theory are you refering to bill? Please elaborate on that one as I am not sure I am familiar with it. I am not saying that none of what we do has zero effect as that would be a crazy statement to make, deer shit has an effect so what. It will not bring about the end of the friggin world. I suppose if every human lined up and pointed their ass in the same direction then farted it may effect something adversly, i don't know but so what. Plastic, now thats something solid that I can lay my hands on and see the effect it may cause, it's patrolium based and full of chemicals so I say lets get ridd of it, outlaw it from being made, we can do it cause there are more of us than them but, oh ya, the guys at the top own those outfits and rule the world and could care less that you fart north or south as long as we don't all fart at the same time in their direction,the collective stench may be enough to shock us into a reality they have worked so long and hard to hide. JMO
it was a hoax that tried to prove all the scientist in the world who said we affect climate change on a large scale were lying. i'll get the source later. it came out in sync with the climate meetings in order to discredit them
(01-18-2010, 07:56 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2010, 07:25 PM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]Which conspiracy theory are you refering to bill? Please elaborate on that one as I am not sure I am familiar with it. I am not saying that none of what we do has zero effect as that would be a crazy statement to make, deer shit has an effect so what. It will not bring about the end of the friggin world. I suppose if every human lined up and pointed their ass in the same direction then farted it may effect something adversly, i don't know but so what. Plastic, now thats something solid that I can lay my hands on and see the effect it may cause, it's patrolium based and full of chemicals so I say lets get ridd of it, outlaw it from being made, we can do it cause there are more of us than them but, oh ya, the guys at the top own those outfits and rule the world and could care less that you fart north or south as long as we don't all fart at the same time in their direction,the collective stench may be enough to shock us into a reality they have worked so long and hard to hide. JMO
it was a hoax that tried to prove all the scientist in the world who said we affect climate change on a large scale were lying. i'll get the source later. it came out in sync with the climate meetings in order to discredit them
Oh, ok i must have missed it so far but there is real proof that it has been missrepresented in order to cause undue panic and reap crazy proffits from the hystaria.
I am not useing spell check much but I am pretty sure you get me.
(01-18-2010, 08:10 PM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2010, 07:56 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2010, 07:25 PM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]Which conspiracy theory are you refering to bill? Please elaborate on that one as I am not sure I am familiar with it. I am not saying that none of what we do has zero effect as that would be a crazy statement to make, deer shit has an effect so what. It will not bring about the end of the friggin world. I suppose if every human lined up and pointed their ass in the same direction then farted it may effect something adversly, i don't know but so what. Plastic, now thats something solid that I can lay my hands on and see the effect it may cause, it's patrolium based and full of chemicals so I say lets get ridd of it, outlaw it from being made, we can do it cause there are more of us than them but, oh ya, the guys at the top own those outfits and rule the world and could care less that you fart north or south as long as we don't all fart at the same time in their direction,the collective stench may be enough to shock us into a reality they have worked so long and hard to hide. JMO
it was a hoax that tried to prove all the scientist in the world who said we affect climate change on a large scale were lying. i'll get the source later. it came out in sync with the climate meetings in order to discredit them
Oh, ok i must have missed it so far but there is real proof that it has been missrepresented in order to cause undue panic and reap crazy proffits from the hystaria.
I am not useing spell check much but I am pretty sure you get me.
source?
heres mine;
source:
exerpt;
I cannot condone some things that colleagues of mine wrote or requested in the e-mails recently stolen from a climate research unit at a British university. But the messages do not undermine the scientific case that human-caused climate change is real.
The hacked e-mails have been mined for words and phrases that can be distorted to misrepresent what the scientists were discussing. In a Dec. 9 op-ed, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin argued that "The e-mails reveal that leading climate 'experts' ... manipulated data to 'hide the decline' in global temperatures." Yet the e-mail she cites was written in 1999, just after the warmest year ever recorded (1998) to that date. It could not possibly have referred to the claim that global temperatures have declined over this decade -- a claim that is false (the current decade, as has been recently reported, will go down as the warmest on record).
In one case, professor Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia refers to a "trick" regarding temperature data that he attributes to an article that co-authors and I published in the journal Nature in 1998. We showed one up-to-date temperature data set from thermometer measurements along with a longer data set, based on calculations from natural "proxy" records such as ice cores, corals and tree rings, that ended in 1980. The "trick" (by which scientists generally mean a clever solution, i.e., a "trick of the trade") was that the longer-term record could be viewed.
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The climate conspiracy theory falls apart when you consider the effort that would be required to sustain such a scam (recruiting thousands of scientists, falsifying mountains of data) and then ask what plausible motivation there could be to continue such a vast conspiratorial effort? None, is the simple answer.
The idea that humans are in no way affecting the climate and the overall deterioration of the planet...
that's bullshit.
A lot of people would rather be comfortable, would rather go on thinking that we don't have a responsibility to do anything for the planet. Because yeah, it's just there to be used, not taken care of, amiryte?
Sorry for the rant
(01-19-2010, 11:11 AM)addy Wrote: [ -> ]The idea that humans are in no way affecting the climate and the overall deterioration of the planet... that's bullshit.
A lot of people would rather be comfortable, would rather go on thinking that we don't have a responsibility to do anything for the planet. Because yeah, it's just there to be used, not taken care of, amiryte?
Sorry for the rant
i think you are.
i think many really believe it doesn't matter because if anything should happen they won't be around. i think they sometimes forget their loved ones will still be here.
and rants good in sd&d at times.
well,i'm looking out of the window at a second year without snow.
(01-19-2010, 11:16 AM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]well,i'm looking out of the window at a second year without snow.
thats because your an arab :p
jk.
i heard somewhere that much of the water that comes from the peaks of the Himalayas as melt water, has stopped up because the glacier on it has all but disappeared.. that the ice line is a lot higher than can ever be remembered.
have you see it with your own eyes?
^^^^^^
and that's how conspiracy theories start,
thanks for the example v/f.
(01-19-2010, 11:57 AM)billy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2010, 11:16 AM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]well,i'm looking out of the window at a second year without snow.
thats because your an arab :p
jk.
i heard somewhere that much of the water that comes from the peaks of the Himalayas as melt water, has stopped up because the glacier on it has all but disappeared.. that the ice line is a lot higher than can ever be remembered.
have you see it with your own eyes?
as you maybe know i work as a trekking guide so i spend about 4 months a year up in the mountains at various places,and i must say there is a big difference in snowfall and glaciers are retreating pretty fast,it's noticeble even in the short timespan of about 30 years.where i live we used to get appr.2 meters of snow every winter and it would lay on the ground for months,in the last 15 years it'll snow a bit,melt away and get a bit more,not good enough,springs drying up,powercuts because the dams run out of meltwater etc.last 2 years it didn't snow at all.