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first off, keep to the topic and no name calling.

scrufuss posting Homo sapian in another thread made me think;

i can understand homosexual being a male who goes for males.
home being man

but why are lesbians called homo sexual.

serious answers only.

mikebauer

in 'homosexual', 'homo' is latin for 'same'... but the word 'homo' is also latin for 'human' -- but, even this homo is not 'male' per se, but comes from the concept 'out of the earth' -- 'humus' --

this word 'homosexual' is probably a modern word created by a psychologist. there was no such distinction made in early times -- you did sexual things, but you weren't patterned out as some unique thing. like, in rome, julius cesar was called 'both husband and wife', because of how he got it on, but not 'gay'. 'gay' didn't exist as a concept, in the way we use it.

(01-15-2010, 11:14 AM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]first off, keep to the topic and no name calling.

scrufuss posting Homo sapian in another thread made me think;

i can understand homosexual being a male who goes for males.
home being man

but why are lesbians called homo sexual.

serious answers only.

. . . .

By definition Lesbians are homosexuals as well.
BUT
They want to be there own group of sexual beings.
Since male homosexuals dominate the public eye and the general social scene the whole group of same sex beings were grouped together
So you have the Lesbians and the Gays (or homo's)
"Lesbian as a concept, used to differentiate women with a shared sexual orientation, is a 20th-century construct. Although female homosexuality has appeared in many cultures throughout time, not until recently has lesbian described a group of people. In the late 19th century, sexologists published their observations on same-sex desire and behavior, and designated lesbians in Western culture as a distinct entity. As a result, women who became aware of their new medical status formed underground subcultures in Europe and North America. Further broadening of the term occurred in the 1970s with the influence of second wave feminism. Historians since have re-examined relationships between women in history, and have questioned what qualifies a woman or a relationship as lesbian. The result of such discussion has introduced three components to identifying lesbians: sexual behavior, sexual desire, or sexual identity."

Source

They want there own voice, as they should
Some of my dearest and closest friends are lesbians, one I consider to be my second mother.

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Class, tomorrow we will cover the sub-group "Dykes", the other white meat.

mikebauer

the word 'homo' just means, 'is the same'. it's not an existential determination made by academics in frisco. it's just a general name for same-sex relations, and it's a jargon term made up to fit a category which some bozo figured out for a PhD back in germany in the 19th century. it's bogus thinking, really. love is love, and that's the only important thing to know about someone.

(01-15-2010, 11:41 AM)Scrufuss Wrote: [ -> ]By definition Lesbians are homosexuals as well.
BUT
They want to be there own group of sexual beings.
Since male homosexuals dominate the public eye and the general social scene the whole group of same sex beings were grouped together
So you have the Lesbians and the Gays (or homo's)
"Lesbian as a concept, used to differentiate women with a shared sexual orientation, is a 20th-century construct. Although female homosexuality has appeared in many cultures throughout time, not until recently has lesbian described a group of people. In the late 19th century, sexologists published their observations on same-sex desire and behavior, and designated lesbians in Western culture as a distinct entity. As a result, women who became aware of their new medical status formed underground subcultures in Europe and North America. Further broadening of the term occurred in the 1970s with the influence of second wave feminism. Historians since have re-examined relationships between women in history, and have questioned what qualifies a woman or a relationship as lesbian. The result of such discussion has introduced three components to identifying lesbians: sexual behavior, sexual desire, or sexual identity."

Source

They want there own voice, as they should
Some of my dearest and closest friends are lesbians, one I consider to be my second mother.

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Class, tomorrow we will cover the sub-group "Dykes", the other white meat.

. . . .

Not exactly

mikebauer

so, utter it -- say the wordssss.... let the sybil speak: why, 'not exactly' -- or, is this supposed to be one of those silly things where we're supposed to see your eyebrow go up and your lip go down in a sneer? it's done with words, when you're writing.

(01-15-2010, 12:40 PM)Scrufuss Wrote: [ -> ]Not exactly

. . . .

To answer that I would go off topic of "why are lesbians called homo sexual?"
Your reply's were not answering the OP question. I explained that technically they are Homos.. But that is not what they call themselves thus the Wiki link..
I just sent an invite to She Who Would Know how to explain it better. Hope she has the time to enlighten you guys.. Shes my buddy! Be nice to her, all of you.

Benny2guns

To tell you fellas the truth I thought it was because we are all, male and female alike, homo sapains and there is no distinction between the two sex's in the word as it pertains to the human race at presant.

as for the word homosexual it doesn't make alot of sense to me either. Looks like a guy thats sexual,rofl, Since we really don't have a third sex as far as my understanding goes, I can see haveing great difficulty in inventing a word to describe the, for lack of a better word, behavior when applied to either of our two sex's.

1topwop

(01-16-2010, 08:28 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]To tell you fellas the truth I thought it was because we are all, male and female alike, homo sapains and there is no distinction between the two sex's in the word as it pertains to the human race at presant.

as for the word homosexual it doesn't make alot of sense to me either. Looks like a guy thats sexual,rofl, Since we really don't have a third sex as far as my understanding goes, I can see haveing great difficulty in inventing a word to describe the, for lack of a better word, behavior when applied to either of our two sex's.

thanks to scrufuss for the kind words (not sure really deserved).
Billy's question was if homo means man, than why are lesbians called homosexuals too (paraphrasing). benny2guns said it correctly, we are all homo-sapiens and homo means human (not man), as was indicated by a prior thread. "Homosexuality is one of the three main categories of sexual orientation, along with bisexuality and heterosexuality, within the heterosexual-homosexual continuum." (wiki...a) Psychiatrists needed to have a term to differentiate one orientation from the other, so basically people (either sex) who are attracted to the same sex are all homosexuals. I don't really care for titles (although i'm a lesbian), but if you must give me a title, i'd rather be called "queer" (from the "sticks & stones verse"). hope this helps.
if billy has read all the threads, i think he will have his answer.
(01-15-2010, 12:27 PM)mikebauer Wrote: [ -> ]the word 'homo' just means, 'is the same'. it's not an existential determination made by academics in frisco. it's just a general name for same-sex relations, and it's a jargon term made up to fit a category which some bozo figured out for a PhD back in germany in the 19th century. it's bogus thinking, really. love is love, and that's the only important thing to know about someone.

(01-15-2010, 11:41 AM)Scrufuss Wrote: [ -> ]By definition Lesbians are homosexuals as well.
BUT
They want to be there own group of sexual beings.
Since male homosexuals dominate the public eye and the general social scene the whole group of same sex beings were grouped together
So you have the Lesbians and the Gays (or homo's)
"Lesbian as a concept, used to differentiate women with a shared sexual orientation, is a 20th-century construct. Although female homosexuality has appeared in many cultures throughout time, not until recently has lesbian described a group of people. In the late 19th century, sexologists published their observations on same-sex desire and behavior, and designated lesbians in Western culture as a distinct entity. As a result, women who became aware of their new medical status formed underground subcultures in Europe and North America. Further broadening of the term occurred in the 1970s with the influence of second wave feminism. Historians since have re-examined relationships between women in history, and have questioned what qualifies a woman or a relationship as lesbian. The result of such discussion has introduced three components to identifying lesbians: sexual behavior, sexual desire, or sexual identity."

Source

They want there own voice, as they should
Some of my dearest and closest friends are lesbians, one I consider to be my second mother.

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Class, tomorrow we will cover the sub-group "Dykes", the other white meat.

you said it right Mike, "love is love, etc."

mikebauer

this really doesn't have much to do with the original question, which was 'why, if 'homo' means 'man', are lesbians called 'homosexuals'.

you either like words or you don't. this word 'homosexual' is a jargon word. i'm to introduce to you the notion that words don't relate to real things, that they're actually labels on things, and only used to point to a thing for a certain reason.

you're maybe all atheist or agnostic, and you know that there's a problem with using the word 'god' -- like, as in 'does god use velcro?', and yet a faked-up-word like 'homosexual' or, too, 'lesbian' makes you think there's some real existential thing you can point to which magically matches your concept of 'homosexual'.

we're poets -- we invent our own words, phrases and even our own grammar. the dictionary is just for suggestions on where to start a proper etymology.

(01-16-2010, 09:42 AM)1topwop Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-16-2010, 08:28 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]To tell you fellas the truth I thought it was because we are all, male and female alike, homo sapains and there is no distinction between the two sex's in the word as it pertains to the human race at presant.

as for the word homosexual it doesn't make alot of sense to me either. Looks like a guy thats sexual,rofl, Since we really don't have a third sex as far as my understanding goes, I can see haveing great difficulty in inventing a word to describe the, for lack of a better word, behavior when applied to either of our two sex's.

thanks to scrufuss for the kind words (not sure really deserved).
Billy's question was if homo means man, than why are lesbians called homosexuals too (paraphrasing). benny2guns said it correctly, we are all homo-sapiens and homo means human (not man), as was indicated by a prior thread. "Homosexuality is one of the three main categories of sexual orientation, along with bisexuality and heterosexuality, within the heterosexual-homosexual continuum." (wiki...a) Psychiatrists needed to have a term to differentiate one orientation from the other, so basically people (either sex) who are attracted to the same sex are all homosexuals. I don't really care for titles (although i'm a lesbian), but if you must give me a title, i'd rather be called "queer" (from the "sticks & stones verse"). hope this helps.
if billy has read all the threads, i think he will have his answer.
(01-15-2010, 12:27 PM)mikebauer Wrote: [ -> ]the word 'homo' just means, 'is the same'. it's not an existential determination made by academics in frisco. it's just a general name for same-sex relations, and it's a jargon term made up to fit a category which some bozo figured out for a PhD back in germany in the 19th century. it's bogus thinking, really. love is love, and that's the only important thing to know about someone.

(01-15-2010, 11:41 AM)Scrufuss Wrote: [ -> ]By definition Lesbians are homosexuals as well.
BUT
They want to be there own group of sexual beings.
Since male homosexuals dominate the public eye and the general social scene the whole group of same sex beings were grouped together
So you have the Lesbians and the Gays (or homo's)
"Lesbian as a concept, used to differentiate women with a shared sexual orientation, is a 20th-century construct. Although female homosexuality has appeared in many cultures throughout time, not until recently has lesbian described a group of people. In the late 19th century, sexologists published their observations on same-sex desire and behavior, and designated lesbians in Western culture as a distinct entity. As a result, women who became aware of their new medical status formed underground subcultures in Europe and North America. Further broadening of the term occurred in the 1970s with the influence of second wave feminism. Historians since have re-examined relationships between women in history, and have questioned what qualifies a woman or a relationship as lesbian. The result of such discussion has introduced three components to identifying lesbians: sexual behavior, sexual desire, or sexual identity."

Source

They want there own voice, as they should
Some of my dearest and closest friends are lesbians, one I consider to be my second mother.

-------
Class, tomorrow we will cover the sub-group "Dykes", the other white meat.

you said it right Mike, "love is love, etc."

Benny2guns

Yes Mike you are correct but the question was wrong as the meaning of the word homo was not correctly used in context. I do not mean to sound like I know for sure because I sure as hell do not but thats how I see it.
(01-16-2010, 09:42 AM)1topwop Wrote: [ -> ]thanks to scrufuss for the kind words (not sure really deserved).
Billy's question was if homo means man, than why are lesbians called homosexuals too (paraphrasing). benny2guns said it correctly, we are all homo-sapiens and homo means human (not man), as was indicated by a prior thread. "Homosexuality is one of the three main categories of sexual orientation, along with bisexuality and heterosexuality, within the heterosexual-homosexual continuum." (wiki...a) Psychiatrists needed to have a term to differentiate one orientation from the other, so basically people (either sex) who are attracted to the same sex are all homosexuals. I don't really care for titles (although i'm a lesbian), but if you must give me a title, i'd rather be called "queer" (from the "sticks & stones verse"). hope this helps.
if billy has read all the threads, i think he will have his answer.
i have it now thanks 1top, it was a serious question.

i'd sooner call you by a name than a label though. i don't think a sexual preference should be used as a title per say. i'm billy. i may be hetero but it will never be my title. thanks for posting. and for keeping on topic Smile